If I read the info correctly, it is the Rival version that is available in red….which I think is the entry level, or maybe 1 above?
But honestly, it is gonna be tough to get me off my TCR. It really is a great bike and I recommend it wholeheartedly if you don’t want to wait. I got the black frame and had custom red decals made.
I’m still bummed about price, but the Advanced/Rival version might be a good option
Propel Advanced SL
Propel Advanced Pro
Propel Advanced
$2000 less than the Pro version. Frameset is just 60gm heavier. I think the wheels and handlebar are the same. Rival is ~180 grams more than Force. But ~100 grams of that is due to the crankset which can be upgraded for about $250. Or I saw a Red AXS crankset on sale for a little under $400. That would save 283 grams. So you could make the Rival version come out 40 grams less than the Force version while leaving $1600 in your pocket.
The Rival AXS version of the Tarmwc SL7 is $500 less than the Propel Advanced. However the wheels on it are…meh. The Giant wheels look interesting. The previous SLR wheels were pretty narrow. I am thinking these might be updated? Have not found any info on them yet.
Unfortunately it does look like the US site has all the colors available yet.
The wheels are also different, SLR1 vs SLR2. I believe there was a 200g weight difference between the fancy Cadex ones on the SL and the SLR1 (1350 vs 1550-ish). SLR2 might well be 1700g?
If you can find the funds, I would go with the CADEX wheels.
My 2020 set (60mm rear / 45mm front) have been faultless and they have lived a hard life! Originally ran them with the CADEX rubber but when that became almost impossible to source, I switched over to Pro1. Don’t think I’ll go back.
At the risk of getting yelled at…do you think the 30mm max tire width would be an issue? 
I get that you lose some aero benefit with a wider tire, but the Cervelo R5 can take a (measured) 34mm tire. 
I’m not in the market but love wider tires, especially as the wheels get wider to accomodate them.
Think it’s ok, this is pretty much an out and out performance/race bike, and race wheels are still optimised around a 25 or 28mm tyre for road racing. Would guess the vast majority of people who are going to buy a bike like this are also either going to have a second bike for days where they want a bit more comfort, or just want to go as fast as possible on every ride and therefore wouldn’t mind about not being able to run a 32. Maybe only issue would be pro teams wanting to run something wider at cobbled classics or cobbled/gravel stages in the grand tours - did anybody notice what Bike Exchange used on the cobbled stage at the Tour?
Agree. Going with the middle of the offering often seems like the best choice. Of note, the Advanced Pro doesn’t have the ISP (only the SL model has it). That makes it more appealing to me as I’d be worried is somehow both the cut or something (in addition to possible resale issues)
Of note, per some chatter on the weight weenies site the current prices on the US site may not. One of the use posters listed the Candian prices per his LBS as (in CAD)
SL 0 (Dura-ace) $14,999
SL 1 (Force) $10,999
Advanced Pro 0 (Force) $7,899
Advanced 1 (Rival) $5,899
So those would translate more to original prices they were on the US. So I guess I just have to sit tight and see. The Advanced Pro 0 could still be in my future (even if it means driving 3 hours north to the nearest Giant dealer in Canada 
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I wonder how those frame weights account for the seatpost? I assume that’s no post for the Pro and no topper on the post for the SL. I wonder how they compare with a post and all hardware.
Just stumbled across this video from a Giant demo day in, I think, Taiwan. At around 3:20 it shows what looks like a poster for a custom paint program on the new Propel. Hopefully that’s something that’s available world wide, although I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else.
Giant’s pricing strategy/list on this bike is so odd
Looking the Giant site for a few different countries the Propel Advanced 0 AXS cost is…
US Price: $8000 usd
Canada price: $7900 CAD (equivalent to $5920 usd)
UK Price: £6,399 (equivalent to $7880 usd)
Germany price: 5699 € (equivalent to $6190 usd)
Australia price: $8,499 RRP (equivalent to $5990 usd)
Not sure why the US price is close to $2000 more than in Europe, Canada, and Australia
Just looking at the German price in Euro and the GBP price, that’s a 20% price from ( 5699 € = £5059, where in the UK the price is £6399), if thinking about the bike, it would pay to have a holiday in Germany and collect the bike
If you can get one in Aus!!! The bike was launched months ago and the LBS telling me they still are expecting anything for another 2mths
At this point I’m actually think of waiting to see what other brands do with 2024 models it’s taking that long
The max gear ratio you get from 48/10 is not the problem, the issue is the inefficiency of actually having to use the 10 tooth, ever, and the chainline from being at the end of the cassette much more than is ideal.
10 tooth is a gimmick that SRAM rely on to make their 1x drivetrains look viable.
Agree a 10T isn’t desirable from an efficiency perspective. I wouldn’t race with one for that reason. But the message I was replying to was saying the issue was lack of gear range and that’s simply not the case. If anything the inefficiency of the 10T would be a benefit for the example given of needing to lay down 400W on a 2% descent!
True. Stock in the US is really limited right now.
I’m wondering what is going on with Giant. Last month they postponed payments to suppliers due to “falling demand, rising inventory levels, and market headwinds.” Maybe it’s still some sort of supply chain issue? Though they own their own factory and a lot of what I’ve read is the bike industry is starting to be overstocked. Giant also just invested a lot of money into stages as well.
So who knows. I’m kind of holding off on a. New road bike for now anyway as a number of people are predicting a drop in prices at some point in 2023
As someone who actually rides SRAM AXS 1x it doesn’t just “look” viable. The 10t is fine. It’s my “reverse bailout” gear and if I analyze my gear use using the AXS app I don’t spend much time in it. When I am in it I’m not worried about the loss of 1-6 watts, but am happy that I’m not spinning out until a little it later than I would have if I was on an 11t
We don’t actually know this….1) we don’t know how much or if it was “a lot” and 2) it is possible that Giant took their ownership stake in lieu of payment on overdue balances for bikes they had supplied to Stages.
#2 is purely speculation on my part, but given the state of excess supply for exercise bikes / trainers, it makes sense and is vey plausible.
Been reported fairly widely as a $20m investment giving them a 32.5% share in Stages. Which doesn’t seem a lot for a company with ~$3bn of revenue.
If you can’t hang on because of 6 watts you just need to train smarter/harder.
Light bikes, aero bikes, aero clothing, efficient drivetrains and body position on the bike all don’t matter, because you could always just pedal harder 