Or IFYPFY.
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Super interesting stuff @GarageLab thanks for sending this.
Or FTFY, FWTW
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I was doing a similar workout a few days ago(3 x 7 x 30/30), and I drop 2 gears 2-3 secs before the interval starts - that added load entirely compensates the trainerâs delay. You shift down at the end of the interval, rinse, repeat.
Source?
âall outâ is relative to the given duration. An âall outâ 20 min effort doesnât mean you start out sprinting and then just go as hard as you can for every second after until you hit 20min.
Per-Olof Ă
strand was a pioneer in exercise physiology in his time, not just some guyâŚ
That was my experience working in a lab during a summer internship. A quick google search showed an article on training peaks as well as many others. If you are interested in learning about the procedure here is a link from Ohio State University I found online. Note it says the test ranges about 8-12 min.
As I noted above in another post, I was thinking of the OP which was 7 x 30 secâŚ. In which case would be hard to be all-out unless anaerobic. But as Chad commented, and I agree, at the end of a really long set (I.e. 3 sets of 20) it can feel all-out at the end of the workout for sure.
That link describes an 8-12 min stepped exercise test that starts from a walking pace and increases every 3 minutes. So you can throw away probably the first 3-6 minutes of that. If you started at your target maximal intensity then you could probably reach VO2max in a much shorter time. Closer to 3-5 minutes.
I thought my joke was pretty âon the noseâ But yes, heâs a pioneer and I really really enjoy reading his work.
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This is pretty good stuff, subscribed, thanks. Everyone go watch Stage 19 of last yearâs Tour. It was an amazing GT stage from start to finish, fullgas racing for 3.5hrs. I would even say it was way harder for him to win than his MSR victory. Thereâs a reason Mojoric gave that emotional interview after the stage.
Jokes does not always work well in writing, and I might add the aforementioned abbreviations, since the understanding of the text is heavily influenced by the readers experiences and understanding. One thing that is often seem to be forgotten is that visitors of this forum originates from all around the world.
Reading and writing english as second or third language is challenging; the finer details of a post or subtle jokes may not work well with many, not so proficient, readers. In this case, they may never have heard of professor Ă strand so I added some background for those readers!
For the same reason, if my post seem harsh that is not at all my intention. If that is the case i apologize in advance.
For the record I just pretended to be offended by your âdisparagementâ of him basically because we are fellow countrymen (or rather was, as he passed in 2015).
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Is âlactate toleranceâ studied or proven by science?
Mahoric said something interesting at the beginning of this interview.
He said that with 30/30s - all out during the work interval - youâll raise lactate to a high level and this trains lactate tolerance.
I thought that the current thinking was that lactate is a primary fuel and will just get used up.
Wouldnât 30/30s in this fashion train anaerobic capacity?
In the running world you hear about training lactate tolerance or lactate clearance.
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He probably means H+ ion tolerance (?).
What is the relationship between VO2 max and Watts?
Is the use of Watts as the target appropriate?
If VO2 max is about the application of oxygen, does it imply that maximising your oxygen intake as quickly as possible and then doing your best to go beyond its supply for as much of the intense period as possible.
Maintaining VO2 max is only possible for very short periods, seconds not minutes. Isnât the objective to hit that limit and try to maintain intensity, power, ie, Watts must fade, if you are actually at your VO2 max level?
Is VO2 max actually about getting to the panting level of breathing, in every interval?
There is a minimal power below which you wonât achieve VO2max (as you will fatigue first). There is also a maximal power above which you wonât reach VO2max (as you will fatigue first). The relationship between power and VO2 in between these two limits varies depending upon both your cycling economy and time, but the ratio is generally 70-80 W : 1 L/min VO2.
Let me put it this way: in research, self-paced VO2max tests are the exception - the norm is to control the external demand (power, for cycling).
This is not true. The duration that VO2max can be maintained varies between individuals, but 3-8 min would be the typical range.
No.
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Since lactate doesnât cause fatigue, why would it need to be âtoleratedâ?
Now H+ are another story, and indeed muscle buffer capacity is trainableâŚbut 30 s on/off wouldnât be very effective at all, as the contribution of non-aerobic glycogenolysis wouldnât be that large. Even 3 x 30 s all-out with 4 min rest in between (i.e., repeated Wingate tests) is predominantly aerobic by the 3rd effort.
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Depends on the test you are doing.
The link I posted was just describing the procedure of the test. But here is another link for you:
Running isnât cycling.
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Thanks for clarifying⌠my experience with VO2 max testing is with running. In your experience how long can a cyclist hold VO2 max for? Why is there a difference? If this is is the case is comparing VO2 across different sports invalid?
My experience aligns with what find in textbooks, i.e., generally in the 3-8 min range.
The larger the active muscle mass, the lower the metabolic rate can be per unit mass, and yet still push the cardiovascular system to (towards) its limits.
Unless youâre a reasonably well-trained cyclist (being a triathlete is insufficient), you canât reach VO2max while cycling. Instead, your VO2peak will be 5-10% lower than your true maximum, the latter achievable via running up a grade, running on the flat while arm cranking, pedaling while arm cranking, etc. If youâre sufficiently well-trained as a cyclist, OTOH, you can.
There is a bigger gap in the untrained state while swimming, and even elite swimmers canât fully close the gap (though they can get close).
Finally, note that it is a myth that VO2max is higher in Nordic skiers than in elite athletes in other sports.
ETA: Credit goes to Ă strand and colleagues for working all this out some 60 y ago. I have passed along almost all of the exercise physiologist textbooks I have owned, except 1) the most recent editions of those I use in classes, 2) the copy of deVriesâ textbook that was given to me when I was in high school and got me interested in the field, and 3) my copy of the 4th edition of Ă strandâs classic textbook.
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