šŸŽ‰ Adaptive Training Live Q&A šŸŽ‰

Maybe retest if you are getting 6.5 on sweetspot? Perhaps if your FTP raises then that will be enough of a progression?

You may very well have already done this, but did you accept the pending adaptations? You may have to manually click that little notification to do so, and then plan should update. I donā€™t know that if there is a setting to auto-accept AT adaptations.

Hi Max,

Thanks for your suggestion.

Yes, I have already done this in the past when I was using the beta. Now I donā€™t even get recommendations anymore :frowning:

When will TR AT include fitness/ Fatigue/ Form? also will AT know when you have peaked so if can determine work outs for post peaking?

Wouldnā€™t hold your breath on that, TR doesnā€™t use ctl tsb or atl metrics, and a lot of people urge caution using these metrics anyway

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Further, the decay metrics - 42 days for CTL and 7 for ATL - are guesstimated averages. So the first thing would be a way to estimate these decay parameters on an individualized basis, before trying to use CTL / ATL.

Even then, there is a long way to go. Today, AT is just starting to be able to change workouts in canned plans. It is a long ways away from being able to create a custom plan for you, truly adapt a plan (e.g., extend the length of a block, shorten a block, switch a blockā€™s focus, etc.) based upon how you are progressing.

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To give an example. My Tacx neo 2 in erg mode for 30sec vo2 intervals results in 27 secs at target power. TR looked at it twice. Couldnā€™t fix the issue

What do you think the problem is?

Any physical system is going to take some time to go from state A to State B. A 3 second ramp is pretty good, especially depending upon what the power difference is between the two levels.

On the road, it would take at least 3 seconds for you to ramp from endurance to VO2 max.

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Previously it didnt work like this. I can go back to earlier workouts that dont have the issue. Simple issue is just to start power 3 secs earlier.

How long ago for the ā€œbetterā€ behaviour? Wasnā€™t there a firmware update to help the 2T be less aggressive on its Erg mode behaviour when it was released because it was too fast?

Ok, maybe stupid question but when I preview training plan in the app or web it is already showing workouts based on my current levels? Looks like this but I would rather ask.

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Definitely looks like it! I think this may be a recent change.

My SS PL is relatively high at the moment because Iā€™m off-plan focusing on it, and I can see this reflected in the preview if I look at the SSB plans. eg: Sandia (7.8) as the first SS workout in SSB1!

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Ok, thanks. Just asking because plans look very intensive and hard and I was just wondering if everybody will start with 3x30@92 now :wink:

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Haha wow that is hard. Mine looks harder than I would have expected too, but not THAT much :wink:

I actually think some of the SS workouts Iā€™ve been doing are rated higher than they should be (the North Twin, Mount Major type workouts with force sprints and a mix of tempo/SS intervals - I raised it with support and some adjustments were made but they now seem to think itā€™s right - shrug. I just donā€™t think theyā€™re really equivalent to pure SS workouts with the same level). By the time I start my new plan (Jan 2022) and do a new ramp test, my levels should re-align a bit - thereā€™s no way I want to start SSB1 at that kind of level.

Meanwhile my threshold level is around 2, purely because I havenā€™t been doing any. It does make sense and would adjust once I start a plan, but it looks silly on the surface.

I do not use any of the plans but looking at the base that has 3x 0.9-0.98 IF workouts I am sceptical about ā€œbaseā€ character of the plans :wink: expecially that there is no recovery week during base. The intensity is quite extreme and volume quite low (even with HV). It would be interesting experiment.

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I recently skipped a ramp test (because I had done an extra one the week before) and adaptive training suggested to adapt my next training to be a ramp test. Nate mentioned in the podcast that skipping the ramp test should be fine, I didnā€™t expect this behaviorā€¦
Is this intentional?

Yeah you are better off just deleting the ramp test otherwise it keeps putting it in as your next workout. Or rejecting that adaptation, then itā€™ll stop after you go through the next workout.

I dont recall the specific timeline. In the late spring I noticed intervals were no longer for the correct amount of time. TR looked at this in June??? but couldnt resolve. They followed up later in August/Septemberā€¦still going onā€¦no resolution from them on how to fix it. I was fine though and just live with it.

Yes there has been firmware updates but it hasnt changed on how it works with TR.

Figured that update happened well before you noticed the change, but was worth a shot to make sure. :grinning:

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