Another AI training app: Athletica.ai

OK, so not a long term experience or an in-depth review, but I’ve been looking at Triathlon plans on Athletica.ai using the 2-week trial and I’ve decided that it’s not for me … but it could be perfect for someone else.

Background is that I’ve been following TR low volume Tri plans for a couple of years. I’m an older athlete, a relative newcomer to endurance sport and very much an amateur who occasionally races rather than a Front of Pack lifetime monster. I was interested in Athletica because of the swim/run integration, the possibility to include strength sessions and the kind of AI-managed adaptations that I’m used to with TR.

The main reason it’s not for me is my available training time, and the flexibility of Athletica workouts. Firstly the prescribed volume is higher than I’m used to. For Olympic Tri plans, Athletica Low volume is the same as TR Medium volume. I’ve tried TR Medium volume and I just can’t fit it in around life, work and commuting. I make TR work for me by adapting the length of bike workouts to fit my 20km commute, and using TrainNow for an easy ride home. Athletica doesn’t have the same flexibility to adapt workout duration, and although the Workout Wizard gives alternatives, the choice seems to be super limited. The choice of workout days is also easier with TR.

Bike workouts:
I did one indoor V02 session, and one outdoor zone2 ride.
The indoor ride was done by importing a ZWO file into indievelo (interesting platform with a lot of promise for virtual racing, with really good rider simulation and avatar interaction, but I don’t think it’s going to lure the majority of people away from Zwift - the virtual environment just isn’t as engaging or as much fun to just ride around in). It was too hard for me - Athletica took my estimated FTP and prescribed me a monster session. This is something that I haven’t had for a long time with TR. Looking at the comments above from @plaursen I suspect that this is because I’m coming off a longish off-season. The last 6 weeks might not have given Athletica enough data so it defaulted to my manual entry?
The outdoor ride was a slight surprise. I hadn’t read about the SmartCoach function, so was a bit surprised to find myself doing a Z2 ride based on HR not power. I think I like this - doing a longer easy ride on HR instead of 3s power feels like riding with a lot more smoothing, instead of getting slightly stressed about the power numbers jumping around. However, my Garmin workout screen is set up with target power and the Garmin graph. The graph was showing HR, but the target power included in the workout was way off - I think it defaulted to FTP, so I just had to ignore it.

Run workout
I did one 50minute zone2 workout. Not much to say, it was scheduled and worked perfectly with a Garmin Forerunner, with a perfect pace zone for me based on the PRs I’d filled in.

Swim workout
I didn’t really do this. Garmin doesn’t let anyone push swim workouts, and I didn’t take the time to manually enter the workout so the one day I swam it wasn’t following the slightly over-ambitious prescribed session. Also my watch refused to record so I ended up using drill mode. But Athletica still picked it up and analysed it.

Strength workouts
Only included for Medium volume plans, which is a shame as it’s a must-have for me, and it woud be great to use a platform that includes everything. I currently subscribe to dialedheath, and the Athletica sessions seem very different : higher reps, much more plyometric than strength based, and less upper body work. I’m also not convinced that the sessions are programmed into the plan taking into account of other sessions, but I could be wrong about that.

Post-workout ratings and AI analysis
Not as smooth as TR - you need to open the analysis box, set RPE, click on the feeling emoji (I think having both of these is redundant) and add a few comments.
The comments analysis is really good - the generated analysis summary picks up on all sorts of things and makes impressively relevant comments. It makes using Athletica significantly less impersonal than using TR. It takes a little time to have the analysis, but it’s really data-rich.
However, with TR I’m used to seeing adaptations to upcoming workouts almost every day. With Athletica I didn’t really see any changes to upcoming workouts. This is possibly because I changed the programming lots of times to explore the different plans, or I just haven’t given it enough time.

After 10 days I can in no way speak to the long-term effectiveness of Athletica. But I feel that it’s not for me at the moment due to the high volume, lack of flexibility in selecting workouts and uninspiring strength sessions.

If I had different time limitations, or if I were a more advanced athlete, then Athletica would probably be better for me than TR (plus it’s cheaper than TR + DialedHealth…). The Swim and Run integration and analysis is so far ahead of TR, the AI “coach” guidance is impressive and the platform independance of bike workouts adds flexibility and ease of use. Also there’s planning for different sport events - I put a 10km running race into the calendar as a ‘B’ event and Athletica gave me a short period prioritising running.

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Hey thanks so much for trialling Athletica and for taking the time to write a comprehensive review of your experience. I found it to be fair and balanced and I shared it with our development team. Just a few comments back on some of your key points.

  • I am aware that even our low volume plan is too high for some and in the future we’ll be creating a new lower volume tier to accommodate.
  • While you would not have seen the option because it is only available to subscribed beta users, we have a feature we are working on called ‘user-time-constraints’, which prescribes in accordance with your time and exercise mode availability alongside the training load optimization.
  • Workout Wizard options for changes in duration and Z2 sessions is in development
  • If you put in a manual FTP/VT2 entry then Athletica thinks you know better than it does. Indeed, if you have detrained then this would feel hard.
  • Riding on heart rate vs power for Z2 sessions is best practice, as I discussed on the WHOOP podcast.
  • Last week we released a new feature that pushes Athletica swim workouts to your Garmin watch also to perform in the pool.
  • We are currently working with an Olympic level S&C practitioner to build AI-adapted S&C workouts for users. It may take some time but this is in development and it will be impressive.
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3 months of indoor training are on the horizon and for the sake of variety and learning, I will be trialing Athletica soon.

I want to see how it can add something to my arsenal and specific circumstances that include:

  1. I do a fair amount of lifting and skinning.
  2. I like to replace workouts and I know myself better than any app could.
  3. I like long rides.

I already know I don’t like the interface, so I’m going to try to look beyond that and focus on the meat of the process, namely workout selection, programming and progression.

They advertise some customization and rider profiling, so even if it sucks doing it indoors, I plan on doing the initial testing.

Finally, since I have a free Join account which I use to loosely guide me on some rough periodization, I want to see how Athletica can add to my process and hopefully fill some holes that are not covered in my current scheme.

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How do I get myself one of those?

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Yes I would like to know too…

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I don’t want a free JOIN account, because I’d like to pay to fund things including running support. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Anybody here using this app regularly?

I used the app to train for a long distance duathlon and was quite pleased with the process and result of my race. I stopped using it because I have no specific duathlon goal for this season and that’s the area the app excels imo. I probably will use it again in the future if I have to combine multiple cycling/running/duathlon races in the same season.

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Thanks!. What makes it excel in Duathlon and not in cycling?

I am naturally curious so after reading your post I have decided to give Athletica.ai a try.
I am currently recovering from a bad injury due to a road bike accident (6 months ago) and wanted to get back to structured training after having done the first 2-3 months of recovery/base only.
I am playing a bit with the app settings at the moment to build a proper plan, my goals being to have some FTP growth in the next months while riding only indoors (until end of March) and then, if all goes well, target a specific IRL Gran Fondo by the end of June.
First things I have noticed:

  • the change in terms of hours needed, switching between a low volume (on any speciality) to a mid- volume cycling plan is too big; this even if you input the minimum and maximum number of hours you are available (it’ s an additional option) / I have put min 6 to max 11 hours per week;
  • Switching between cycling type of event does not change the structure and type of suggested workouts of a plan (I have tried all, only evident difference I have noticed is the addition of some running workouts when selecting Cyclocross as target type of event).
    Happy to receive suggestions on how to set up things btw!
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I exclusively used Athletica.ai for duathlon prep, not for standalone cycling event. Competitors like Trainerroad and Join offer customizable training plans with a proper workout player and AIFTP, features Athletica.ai lacks. On the flip side, Athletica.ai does bring in a significant advantage with its adaptable running workouts that can be loaded onto your watch.

FYI, the strength workouts consist of the same seven plyometric exercises, which doesn’t exactly make them a standout feature of the app.

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Good to know. Thanks

I started the onboarding process and testing will be next week. Here are my observations.

  1. Setting up the account and training plan was easy enough and I liked that I could input my CTL and Fatigue, and avoid another data connection.

  2. Disappointing selection of events, not Multiday Events. Here it shows that the app might not be optimal for cycling only heads like me.

  3. Another weird deficiency is that it doesn’t let you set the target event during a weekday.

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If you mostly ride outside it works great. If you mostly use a trainer other options may better suit. The platform is evolving quickly for what I’ve seen.

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Well, for some reason my account got deleted. If it doesn’t get solved quickly, I’ll just scratch the experiment.

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Are you also planning to create a new mid volume tier?
For me, the “jump” between low volume and mid volume seems too much.
I would love to see something in between, personally.

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Hi @vdude. I hear you but not at this point. We’ll likely move towards new backend logic that will optimize for 99% of use cases over the next two quarters. Even now if you jump into our beta group you can likely get what you require by using our user-time-constraints feature (select your training days, time available, exercise modes, etc).

In your message were the words “erase all previous data” and when our CTO saw this that is what he did immediately as required by law. Unfortunately this caused deletion of your account with us. We apologize for the inconvenience.

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Point noted and we are working on this with a domain expert to make this a USP. Maybe second or third quarter release.

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How do I join beta group?
Not finding anything about it on website
EDIT: found the thread on the forum there

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