Best 60-Minute Workouts, Raising Max Heart Rate, and More - Ask a Cycling Coach 405

Hahah, well obviously, that was sort of the point. I train 20-25 hours a week myself.

However, the coaches seem to have the opinion that HV plans are really taxing, so it fits their narrative quite well.

These N=1 data points are interesting and worthwhile, but I would be far more interested in the actual data TR has in their hands. They clearly have access to review things like completion rates and more, so my gut says the numbers are not encouraging.

Even some base level percentages of Pass/Fail (They would need to be defined as something like hitting 80% of the planned workouts) could shed some light if they also shared a similar stat for Low and Mid volume for reference.

If the HV worked really well and had a great success rate, why would they constantly try to talk their broad audience into avoiding them unless they are REALLY sure it is possible for the individual? I just have a hard time seeing how HV is some hidden gem they are trying to keep away for any other reason that a wide majority of people attempting it end up not completing the plans properly.

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It’s a biased sample. The small amount of individuals who use it and are successful with it will voice their opinion on it. The individuals who have tried it and not completed it or those who are on LV or MV and have no interest in doing HV will likely just stay silent as it doesn’t affect them. My guess is the latter group is a larger population.

With the mention of them adding thousands of new workouts to have all the progressions I wonder if they will reach the point of having workouts that get passed in more parameters then just the FTP. So instead of having workout that vary slightly in the rest interval time and the work time but be two workouts just pass that into a single workout.

My guess, Nate’s moonshot is a program which builds custom workouts for you on the fly. Right now there’s a library where AT recommends a training for you but what if AT could actually build the right training on the fly rather pick from a library. You want Tempo and threshold together, BOOM AT just builds it for you.

Just my guess though.

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That may be the end goal but the steps before that are important. And if the middle step is to have a smaller subset of workout types, not just the power zones like sweet spots but the different general shapes of the workouts, that would be a very useful step to reach. Not everyone will be following a plan and this way they can pick the type of workout they want and set the levels of it to get the workout they want instead of looking through long lists

Would love to see a video of the cornering drill Jonathan talked about :slight_smile:

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The answer was that you can pick shorter workouts with the same PL and continue progressing, but only to a point. Eventually, depending on the intensity level and your relative strengths, longer workouts will be needed to continue progressing. That point comes the soonest with the lower intensity workouts.