No, I’m just trying to illustrate the fact that fake races will have deficiencies.
It’s like my rec hockey league, when people get upset about bad calls by the refs.
Amateur players get amateur refs.
Fake races…well, you get the idea.
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It is pretty easy to make some basic changes that would create a more level playing field and healthier environment. You’ll never get rid of all cheating. Just like real racing.
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not sure I understand how you can cheat others on TR. TR isn’t a competition.
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It can be when TR releases the bell curve and people become not happy with where they fall on the curve.
I mean, you can lift fake weights too but what’s the benefit?
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You could also just say “I’m on the top end of that bell curve” without fussing about with e doping.
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The caveat is that if I e dope my trainer on TR, I’m not actually cheating myself since the workouts are based on % ftp. Im still getting the same workout/adaptations, but the data that is presented to the community is buffed.
With your weight analogy, it would actually be lifting the correct weight, but applying a sticker on the dumbell making it look like a much higher weight.
Would like to add that these are just examples. I don’t give 2 cares about where I fit into the bell curve or where I finish a Zwift race. From day to day I’m only worried about beating myself.
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Looks nice on your Instagram feed. All 3 of your followers will be impressed. Well, except for your brother, who knows the weights are fake.
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This, exactly. Gets me to do a hard, varied effort without caring about the relative results. Keeps it entertaining that way.
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You can cheat on TR by rounding up your FTP from 246W to 250W, or by claiming your FTP on virtual power is 350W when in fact it’s nearer 276W as measured by a powermeter🤪
All you have to do is say “I’m a serious enthusiast” and ride alone most of the time, right?
Maybe they should do what zwiftcast mentioned in latest episode, must be an easy implementation. Zwift knows your FTP and weight so when viewing an event, only allow the category you should be in to be available for selection or just let it auto select when entering.
Yes you could go and change weight and ftp to enter another category, but that’s hassle and Zwift power would record this, so I believe you would get less people entering events in the incorrect category .
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All good ideas. And Zwift has the capability to do that because events that have a category for women, I can’t select it.
And many posts here saying Zwift needs to fix it. But surprised to see 0 posts saying TR needs to fix the speed/distance doping. Easy to calculate, just lazy not to fix it as this point.
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Guy in my club does nothing but Zwift, last time I looked, he’s doing 300w for 90 minutes with an average HR below 150. In the odd occasion that he rides outside, he’s just another average old bloke. My tiny 200w wife held him off for 30 minutes recently on her way home from work… he’s just not very good…so what’s the point in ‘racing’ people who cheat all the time?
He cheats be using rollers with a made up turbo power curve inputted instead.
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Totally agree - seems like such an easy fix that would fix large % if problems in my view
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I’ve been training indoors for decades, and every system I’ve used was uninterested in calculating any sort of “equivalent” speed/distance. And so was I. These are irrelevant metrics, in the absence of road slope data.
You consider shifting in erg mode “doping”?
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If there was any sort of auto-categorization system, this bloke would end up racing against 300W friends - real or faked. And that would leave your 200W wife racing against 200W friends - real or faked.
I guess what I’ve been trying to say is that is an indoor/trainer riding problem, not just a problem with Zwift. That exact scenario can and probably does exist on TR.
In erg, the trainer adjust even when you shift. I’m not even sure how that would be considered doping.
In response to speed/distance being irrelevant, I agree. But then why does TR calculate and attach it to ride. Just put 0’s. Or they could calculate based on flat terrain with average wind. Like an outdoor velodrome. That would be way more realistic than what gets posted.
They post the same data as a bike computer would record.
In erg, if you shift, you’ll get a different speed for the same power. You want to impress you friends with high mileage? Ride on the big ring.
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