If you’re basically the target market, the feature which should be keeping you is plan builder. Then you don’t need to understand any of the different plans etc?
Those TR doesn’t suit, is people who know what they need to work on and what they don’t and can tailor based on that.
Exactly, but plan builder has one huge flaw:
It does not allow a definition of how long individual sessions shoud be.
It just lets me define the overall amount of hours per week.
So the plans end up looking the same as base low plans. 3 session of 60-90 mins or more each week instead of 4-6 sessions of 30-60mins at various intensity.
not much help for me therefore
I tried Sufferfest… way to flashy, way to much distraction… not for me.
Just to be clear I wasn’t trying to sell you on Sufferfest, I was just poining out that their different approach trainin plans showed my addaption that I had not seen for several years, I don’t have a active SF subsription
Dont worry - i did not misunderstand that at all. all fine 
Feel like starting a new thread to crowd source a plan? Its Friday night and I’m bored after watching Booksmart (female version of Superbad? Good soundtrack 
).
Here is my first attempt at a polarized plan for time crunched:
Sunday tempo workouts at 50-60rpm.
I put that together using some basic principles:
Really tough to not have at least one long ride a week, even if you are busy. Looking back at my own training it seems like 6 hours/week is the minimum. But I’m not a coach (see below).
I hear ya. I’m not a coach. Just a science/engineering nerd with a bike and a pile of training books/plans/papers. I’d do the plan above, or some variant of it, but don’t expect anyone else to do it. 
Could have done a couple of quality 45min sessions in the time it took you to write all of those posts…just a joke!
no, not really. Was woken up by some partying neighbours at 4am… did not feel like riding the Kickr
Same here, only replace irritating neighbors with 2 little ones…
they joined me at 6am
“they joined me at 6am ”
You’ve got some agreeable neighbours… 
Hi I have just given up my grandfathered subscription to trainer road simply because I can’t afford the $99 outlay (Due to not working for a good number of weeks now) but rather than give TR up totally I just reduced my monthly sub to something more manageable for me at this moment.
Xert learns what your weekly schedule looks like. It only advises a daily workout because it doesn’t know that you have say Monday and friday off each week. After a few weeks it knows your weekly structure and recommends workouts accordingly.
No offense man but it just sounds like you’re complaining. You talk about how you want some prestructure and guidance but then flip and say how the structure given to you isn’t great and how you’re overwhelmed by the information that is there trying to give you guidance.
You’ve already said you don’t want to try to be the fastest that you can so what’s the point of a plan? You don’t need the structure and intensity that you’ve mentioned. Just wake up, figure out how much time you have to workout. Filter workouts by time and just pick some workout that meets the criteria. If you don’t want it to be hard. Pick a low IF one. For your needs that’s probably the best way TR can serve you.
You’re better off on something like Zwift where you can log in. Just ride around casually if you want for 30 mins. Tackle some virtual hills. Maybe one day you’re feeling ambitious so you can do one of their exercises and call it a day.
you are probably right. Let me stress that i did not want to make a point specifically for me.
I wanted to point out that TR might think about finetuning their strategy and offer something more specific for the target group,which I am in and, which is probably quite big and mighty.
According to your argumentation we should look elsewhere if we dont want to dig into it more. probably correct.
But from a business standpoint for TR this could be fatal.
And btw:
I do not mind the structure and plans at all - I would love to follow them. My point is that the current offering of structure and plan does not suit the needs I and the target group I am representing have. Even the LV plans are overwhelming. You might not believe it, but it is.
I guess it would take TR very little effort to put together plans which are spot on, give beginners like me more trust and orientation and do not force me to either put it together myself (without knowledge of how to put together a plan that makes sense) or force me due to this lack of offerings to leave TR completely.
I’m on the current monthly payment ($20/month?) and it’s just on the boundary of value for me at the moment but that’s partly because here in the UK we are into our eighth week of unbroken sunshine and riding outdoors is much more attractive! With the usual British weather we’d be looking at regular storms coming in for the weekend throughout the summer 
I ought to move to the annual pricing.
I’d like to see alternative SSB and Build plans so that you can choose SSB LV2 option 2 and get a different set of workouts that still provide the progression in the way that the current, option 1, plan does.
When in the app you can choose one of the variants should you have less time or feel tired or feel strong. Currently you have to do this on a per workout basis, it would be great if there was a general option “Select the -1 versions for a slightly easier plan”, i.e. there are several parallel plans.
Somewhere above is a comment about there being a big jump from the LV to MV plans - I think that’s valid, LV is three days a week, MV is five days and HV six. I did Base and Build LV then moved to MV for speciality because of lockdown and having time but because of the good weather I might as well have stuck on the LV version. Maybe it’d be better for the MV plans to be 4 days/week or for there to be an LV+ plan.
Oops! the above ought to be in a feature request thread 
@airteluser - I don’t know how much a sports coach charges (not expecting you to reveal your prices) but I suspect it’s a bit more than $20/month. I think my points about +/- plans would address your concerns about the intensity of the current offerings.
Ultimately I don’t think a generic programme is going to suit everyone, if it does then great, if it doesn’t then it’s going to be very frustrating. TR suits me, perfect? No! But it doesn’t have to be, it just has to be better than the alternatives and what I could come up with.
I get the sense that many people expect a silver bullet for $10-20 USD per month that’s going to tailor perfectly to them. There is nothing wrong with pushing for innovation (and I’m sure after plan builder there are many other things in the product pipeline) but if you want a tailored level of service, consider paying $100-$200+ USD per month for a coach.
The level of flex in the calendar and pre-set plans is a good balance, personally. People who think they fall outside of this could do well to invest a little time to listen to the podcast, learn, listen to their bodies and adjust as needed. I personally train somewhere between MV and HV and it’s so easy and quick to add or remove volume in advance or on the fly.
Many expect to Google something and get a binary answer these days (this includes myself!) but getting faster is nuanced and complex but the TR ecosytem gives you the right tools. Spend a little time to learn how you can better apply those tools.
Sorry spinnnout, but this was never the point I wanted to make.
I never asked for individual coaching for 10$/month, never asked for anything special, any silver bullet.
Since the topic of the thread aimed at the question about continuation of a subscription I went on to point out why I might not renew my subscription:
With this I tried to show why TR might not be the answer for this kind of audience like me.
Since I quite believe that TR is interested in targeting certain groups of users I have put together my point of view.
Nothing more nothing less
Same here. I have had a terrible year of training for other reasons, and ended up doing way more Zwift races/events for simple fun. So subscribing again is just to support the podcast (although I’m about 6 weeks behind now, as just not feeling it right now), and to keep my $99 rate.
If I ever lose my $99 rate, then I just don’t think I’d come back at $189. I get it that minute for minute, TR will make me the fastest cyclist. However, minute for minute, I prefer Zwift events. So when I’m focused on some goal, TR works so well for me. But other times it’s just supporting my favorite podcast.
TR offers a very cheap and effective training platform for people of all levels. There’s also a decent podcast as well as this forum where you can have any of your training questions answered. If you want a personal plan and guidance get a coach for $300/month.
Berggeiss, thanks.
Obviously there is a problem with me writing english as my non native language.
I never argued that I am expecting an individual coaching.
I argue that there is not enough offer on TR Plans for the beginner, tiecosntrained and inexperienced users like me and that this is one reason why many might not renew their subscription.
Please all: understand, that I dont expect an individual coach for no money. Where does rhis notion come from?
