You know I agree with you in principle, but the more I’m looking into this insignificant data point and comparing it to my rides with the rallys, the more this little man is creeping into my thoughts and saying “if they can’t get this very basic metric right, how can I have confidence in more sophisticated metrics like torque effectiveness or pedal smoothness or PCO or balance”?
They clearly have power nailed down as everyone can attest, but idk man I’m beginning to have my doubts about the cycling dynamics suite here if they can’t figure out that a mountain biker on a 140mm trail bike isn’t too keen on standing on his pedals very often…
Edit: an entire summer of riding with the Garmin rallys in 2021 and this was the ride with the most standing time, which is accurate:
Left / right balance has some use in practice, for some people. (I myself pay attention to it as a result of several injuries on my left side.) It’s certainly also somewhat useful as a way of continually monitoring the accuracy of the pedals - since the left and right measurements are independent, if something changes markedly then it’s a good indication of something wrong with one of your pedals. Of course they could both go wrong in a consistent way, but that’s less likely.
For seated versus standing, though, I’m sure that this is just a matter of different in-house algorithms, and from the sounds of it the Favero one doesn’t work well for mountain biking. Unless you’re actually trying to increase your seated or standing percentage for some reason, though, I’d file that under “who cares?” It’s likely that they haven’t put much effort into it, rather than “they can’t even get a basic metric right”. It’s MUCH more important to me that the power is accurate, the pedals are solid etc., than that the standing times are accurate.
That being said, if they advertise it and output the metric then you’re quite entitled to expect it to be better, so by all means report it as an issue. But I wouldn’t let it concern you with respect to it being a sign of overall competence.
To be clear, I was talking about the entire suit of pedaling dynamics. I just don’t see any use for any of it. I think of it as Power Cranks. Something neat to look at, but not particularly useful in real life. If I was REALLY worried about my pedal stroke, I would just focus on it for a few minutes and try to smooth it out, but it’s not like you can (or should) go for a 2 hour ride and focus on pedal smoothness.
Agree with you @Pbase, it’s no more than a nice to look at thing. So many more things you could spend your time analysing that would result in fitness or speed improvements rather than pedalling dynamics. Heck I bet the time spent looking at the pedalling dynamics would be better spent getting some extra sleep . Or time stretching. Or time nailing the nutrition.
That said, where do I find these pedalling dynamics - do I need to be uploading to Garmin Connect or can I do this with my Wahoo?
Actually I would argue that if your weight isn’t being supported by your saddle, then you are in fact “standing”. Whether you are vertical or not, the weight is being supported by the pedals. It’s not surprising that they consider that standing. Even if Garmin restricts their metric to vertical standing, that’s not necessarily the only correct answer.
Left / right power accuracy is very easy to test and already validated that Assiomas are very accurate. That and cadence are the only metrics that really matter. You can get caught up in the minutiae of the cycling dynamics but they’re of very limited value, none more so than seated vs standing time. What value are you going to gain from having that data? How will it change your racing or training?
So we shouldn’t talk about what we’re seeing in the cycling metrics using these brand new Favero pedals?
Maybe they’re useless metrics, it gives some of us something to talk about. Sure they won’t help me racing but it’s fun to compare what I see using other power meter pedals.
Isn’t this a forum?
I pulled the trigger on the MX 10 days ago. Got the nod from Favero on Thursday last week, an email suggesting they’d passed it to DHL and Saturday and then nothing - it is after all the weekend / a bank holiday here in the UK so hopefully they will arrive mid week.
Looking forward to these, the get great durability and longevity reviews.
Ok so for anyone interested who doesn’t just dismiss this seating vs standing issue with the Assiomas because it’s not an important metric to them, I found this from Garmin:
So if I’m reading it correctly, they’re calculating it based not on reading static weight/pressure as I suspected but by the forces applied to the pedals. I have to dig into this further and dust off my physics books maybe but I’m wondering if the reason the rallys seem to be nailing the time accurately is because it’s looking at specific power phase degrees generally associated with standing and going from there while the Assiomas are just saying ok here’s the avg PP, anything outside of this they must be standing. Subtle difference but it could really add up.
That article also mentions that seating vs standing is a real time data field, so I’m going to create a screen showing that and PP next ride and see what it’s saying as I’m chugging along. I’ll try altering my pedal strokes and see what it’s reporting and if it has any bearing. Hopefully I won’t crash and die from staring at the stupid screen in the name of science
Got mine yesterday, Box looks as expected from Favero it’s smaller then the UNO Box and there is no Charger included just the cable. Didn’t have time to install them, will probably do that today and maybe i will do my FTP intervals on Thursday on them if I don’t do them Indoors.
. Or time stretching. Or time nailing the nutrition.
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