You’re confusing vo2max (total cardiac output) for muscular endurance capacity. Plus the fact that some people get a huge and fast response to training, others start with a much higher innate capacity, and on occasion you get both in the same person.
Unfortunately experience doesn’t mean you understand what’s happening under the hood.
Since the thread is off the rails already and my post got no traction…
Any thoughts on lactate clearance, recovery and impact on performance?
In my post linked above there is a YouTube clip from USATF Level II clinic where it is noted that early in the season we should have short recoveries, later in the season longer recoveries (Scott Christensen, the presenter, references the lactate curve as evidence and notes this tends to be “reverse” in what we normally do).
You have to go back to the question, what are you training for? That clip discussed running 500s? Quite a hard effort with the 12 mmol. Practically I can guess why one might lengthen recoveries because you move from working on repeatability to maximum power/velocity. But there are several ways to get to the same place. The Cog somewhere pointed out that with short enough rests, anaerobic efforts become very aerobic so maybe there is some of that going on. There could also possibly be less risky ways to get to the same point. Running 500s has great specificity for short course running but high risk for injuries. I know which one I’d rather do and which one makes me loathe getting out of bed the next morning.
Or if you want to quote another coach. “Push the curve out before you pull the curve up” - Tim Cusick
These guys above have been trying to drill the point that lactate as a metric isn’t a stimulus to aerobic adaptation and using it a guide is almost meaningless
A bit less glibly: not only is lactate clearance difficult to quantify (as tracer studies such as those performed by Brooks are uninterpretable - see presentation below), lactate per se plays no role in fatigue. So, why worry about it?
but the hydrogen ions associated to lactate do so lac clearance capacity plays a huge role.
just one example out of many physiological & bioenergetic aspects: two athletes “sprinting” for the finish after a 40 minute all out climb. one launches it from 4mmol and the other one from 12mmol. it is pretty obvious who is going to win this one.
lacatate clearance is one of the most important performance metrics at all
Your understanding of physiology is incorrect/inadequate. The apparent association between H+ production and lactate production is simply due to the fact that accumulation of other glycolytic intermediates is much more limited… lactic acid doesn’t really exist in vivo. Moreover, the release of H+ and lactate from exercising muscle is not 1:1 (although it’s close). Finally, H+ and lactate have different fates/routes of disposal both intracellularly and extracellularly, and so follow different time courses.
As I said, lactate clearance is really irrelevant…and you couldn’t train it independently even if did matter.
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Does anyone know if ISM is still doing testing for the general public? if not what tests should you ask for and where from? if it helps I live in the bay area.
using lactate as a fuel is easier for the body to make energy with than glucose/pyruvate eg if you were to inject the muscle with glucose and lactate the muscle would prefer to use the lactate.
PMID: 32113910 “In functioning humans [112,113], working human skeletal muscles [14,159], as well as in the beating hearts of those individuals [13,62,63], lactate is preferred over glucose and fatty acids as a fuel.”
correct me if im wrong tho