Iām in the AT beta, and I plan to do all my riding/training outdoor (until winter, where Iāll have to move it indoor)
Question 1:
I only want to dedicate 2 days per week to higher intensity structured workouts. I prefer to spend the rest of my 6-8hr wk accumulating fatigue with unstructured junk miles becauseā¦ fun.
Up until now, Iāve just been using TN to pick a threshold or vo2max workout a couple times a week.
My understanding is that AT only adapts PB plans.
If I were to use PB to build a LV plan and then delete workouts from my calendar (so that I only have 2 high intensity workouts per week) and then add in unstructured rides as time permits; would AT still adapt the remaining workouts in my calendar? And if I need to move the scheduled workouts around (shift then by a day or 2 here and there), would AT still work?
Question 2:
Perhaps this is a silly questionā¦ In general, is there a certain thr/vo2 PL where you would typically expect to see a FTP increase?
The workouts left in the plan would still be adapted. Iām not certain or clear on the outcome of moving them around though. I think others can answer that.
I also donāt think there is a rule of thumb for FTP increases based on the levels yet. Itās more theoretical. Presumably if youāre in the 8 level range or higher it is possible youāve seen an increase but that isnāt always going to be the case. For example, a few folks on the forum have extended their time at sweet spot for really long periods that would suggest an increase, but their FTP has remained more less the same when they test.
@IvyAudrain I have a real issue with the phrase āUnstructured outside workoutā. (It just sounds like going outside to muck about!) I may not do a TR session (because using my wahoo elemnt is pretty inflexible, and I donāt find it easy to make work with outside workouts) and TR sessions donāt fit well.
However, I do do PURPOSEFUL outside rides.
Today was 40 mins to start (ride from dropping car off to get repaired). 6x a hill from both sides, at over 125% taking 2m and 2:30, then Z2, but pushing up the short hills for another 20 miles. Very purposeful. When home I associated it with Nachimiento, as that was the closest I could find, it being 2x2:00:@124% with 4mr. My recoveries were shorter.
Another day is 2 or 4 times 6 miles, at either SS or perhaps threshold. As the 6 miles out and back is inevitably faster one way than the other (wind and a hill) this can be anything between 16 and 20 mins. Again very purposeful. Definitely not unstructured. The mapping of minutes (TR) to real world (length of a road available) is problematic. Hence I just do those sessions, at planned powers.
I am on AT beta, but canāt use plan Builder as it assumes all TT of any length require threshold workouts. I do 25, 50 and 100m TTs. (I use LV Sustained build as a basis, to build FTP, and then add longer pacing rides to build endurance).
At least doing this āreverse fit to a TR sessionā allows me to judge my progression levels, alongside what the system is giving me.
I believe my outside workouts are definitely PURPOSEFUL. They are definitely NOT āunstructuredā. I think we need a clearer distinction in these words, please.
Not sure if this is an issue for anyone else as I havenāt been through the whole thread but my Survey Responses that I put in at the end of my ride on the PC app do not show up when looking at my workouts on the web or on the iPhone app. Just shows āMissing Responseā.
Common issue. If possible, leave the TR app open a bit and it should populate to the web. There is some amount of delay, and if you refresh the web after some time, it usually shows the actual response.
Donāt be too sad. Iāve spent more time reporting inconsistencies to Support than I have enjoying AT. It might be great someday, but it isnāt yet. The only reason Iām sticking with it is because my actual race goals (and need to be fit) have fallen through this summer.
Itās just meant to categorize any outside activity that isnāt a TrainerRoad workout pushed to Garmin or Wahoo head unit.
Big picture: regardless of what those rides look like in their execution, we are working towards AT identifying the work done in that ride, categorizing the progressions and levels, and adjusting future workouts if merited. This applies to things like ārace ridesā and hard group rides as well, accounting for this stuff is super important, so youāre covered there!
@PhilSJones sounds to me that, in the interim, you could create a custom workout in WorkoutCreator to closely match your purposeful outside ride and then match it when you get back. AT should give you credit for your work.
Thanks, that would be great @IvyAudrain . So purposeful and ālooseā outdoor rides both get categorised. Perfect. Boy you have a lot to do Keep up the good work.
Iām sorry if this has been answered before but I havenāt seen the exact answer in the last several hundred posts. Iām aware that AT and wahoo outdoor TR rides are not working correctly. So my question is in regards to whether accept adaptions after completion of both my weekend TR workouts outside and recorded with a bolt?
Iām thinking that since they are not being recognized correctly right now I shouldnāt let it adapt after these workouts? Rather, Iāll accept adaptions only after indoor workouts until this is fixed or for other reasons. However, that may be wrong. Any insight here?
I put up a new vlog on a preview of short power build HV, definitely no where to go but up given how skewed my progression levels toward endurance (not captured is my 5hr century, so basically a level 10) and sweet spot 10. Interestingly, vo2 isnāt being scaled down to my current level (though I did get some adaptations keeping the level lower than the current plan), but threshold is dropped considerably from the stock plan. No complaints from me lol
Note: I am not part of AT beta yet (plz add me TR, I will sacrifice something if required)
Thanks for this vid, itād be great to see how AT adapted your previous base plans, are you at all able to share your calendar (screenshot or whatever) for your base weeks and what plans? To compare to the stock plans.
Reason being is Iāve just finished SSBHV1, and ran my own ābushmans-ATā the entire time to scale up progression more quickly, so keen to see how that stacks up against AT.
This is an ugly timing bug that TR support is aware of and working on - Iāve been conversing with TR support. The solution that is working for me at the moment is to quit the TR App, and then re-launch it. So far, upon re-launch my survey response gets syncād and immediately shows up on the web
Iāve been able to reproduce this in both the Windows and Mac beta apps
If I change my FTP manually, after doing an FTP test outside or on another platform, are my level adjustments the same as if I had performed the ramp test?
It should be the case that it is treated the same, but some users have reported that manually changing FTP has resulted in their levels resetting to 1.0. That is a bug as far as we know, so if you do encounter it, shoot an email to support@trainerroad.com.
well Iād recommend checking out my earlier videos because (especially earlier on) I have compared my AT plan to the stock plans. But Iād also caution against using any one personās progression as oneās own. I think the thing with AT is that ultimately few plans will be identical among many people. I got progressed to level 10 for sweet spot, but I may not get progressed as much as some others in vo2, and someone else may have an opposite experience. Anyhow, I realize this is shameless self-promotion, but I really would check out my entire video series, the intent is to give folks an idea of one personās progression
True, but Iāve seen some users posting on the forum in the past couple weeks experiencing this bug still, so if it is something they experience, itās important to get it sent to support.
Sorry mate, I havenāt posted on this forum much and donāt/didnāt know how to find other posts, I tried before posting but didnāt find it for some reason, however I did look again just now and found the āposted in this threadā button which worked a treat.
Thanks heaps for those vids, Iām going through now and watching on a week-by-week basis but that is exactly what I was after. Thanks again.
Hello! I needed to shorten my workout today for life demands, so I started looking for alternates to Coco on my browser. I saw that Ochsenhorn was a 4.3 Vo2 (vs the 4.4 Vo2 of Coco), so I was going to use that. Then, I opened the app on my Mac to actually replace the workout. On the Mac app, I looked for 60 minute, productive alternates to Coco, and Ochsenhorn was missing from the list. I noticed that Mount Deborah was an option, and it looks like this:
Notice the level is 4.4. When I look at Mount Deborah on the browser, it looks like this:
Iām sure this is not expected behavior, but Iām curious if thereās a simple solution to this or if Iām missing something? Has this happened to anyone else? Thanks!
I think we need a clearer distinction in these words, please.
