Is there a bicycle price bubble?

  • Can you provide links to specs to actually see the components?
    • As mentioned in earlier discussion, the “same name” bike and model are not guaranteed to be equivalent in form and function.
  • It is actually a different design (and likely material) with an emphasis on aerodynamics over weight, that was the prior model goals.
    • Whether one matters more to someone is individual, but the frames are functionally different and not just “new” as in being made 5 years apart.
  • “Worth” implies value, and as mentioned, that is highly individual and subjective.

We’ve covered a range of reasons that prices now are higher than then. I can’t say that all those cover the price difference entirely, but they are real and a factor in the overall price equation.

Holy snap, that’s over $12000 Canadian just on exchange rate alone, not including any of the other nonsense that would increase the price. In my province, as a minimum I’d have to add 13% sales tax for nearly $13,700 and well it’s Canada, so just throw on an extra G just because.

They are not functionally different.
They are road bikes made to take you from point A to point B pedaling.
I could accept materials or design are different but function is the same.

Getting from A to B with less energy required is a functional difference, and one claimed with the improvements in aerodynamics from old to new.

I would argue this is a performance difference but not a functional. Function is the same. But hey its just semantics you made your point clear.

Obviously the form, factor and technology should improve over time. That’s just progress. That doesn’t mean the cost, research and technology of its time was different than now.

Just look at what happens to the DTC brands prices versus the established brands as they gain market share. Prices goes up, cost of production likely goes down, as their scale goes up.

  • It may or may not. The tech and resources that lead to these new aero bike is likely more expensive than the much less sophisticated than the design and research from 15 years ago. Those efforts cost time and money to the manufactures (materials, wages, overhead, etc.) and those all factor into the cost of a bike over time (assuming a company aims to make a profit and continue in the biz).
  • All true, but only part of the equation. Scaling is not always linear or in a positive direction (WRT company profits) so we can make some guesses, but know that we don’t necessarily know the full picture.
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The word I should have used is ‘justify’ rather than ‘worth’.

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Thought my router blocked all Facebook content? :rofl:

@mcneese.chad this thread is off the rails.

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So a quick glance at the differences:

  • Dedicated Ultegra hydro brakes vs. the 785 brakes. Smaller, more ergonomic lever
  • Similar wheels, but wider internal rim width on the new bike. DT 350 internals for both
  • Integrated cockpit
  • More aero frame design
  • Ultegra crank vs. Spec. Pro carbon (could be seen as positive or negative)
  • Threaded BB (thank god)
  • Tires dwon to 120tpi vs. 220tpi
  • Alloy HB on the 2017

Whether it is “justified” or “worth it” is a subjective measurement, IMO, not an objective one.

ETA - DUH…forgot to mention the most obvious difference - the frame!!!

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Thanks for the links.

I agree with Power13’s analysis and think the bikes are a proper comparison, with a few incremental differences when looking at component and frame differences (including a much cleaner Di2 integration). And I agree on the subjective side of the equation making the pure call a tough one.

Please tell me, since I honestly do not know why one is Double the price of the other one?
Edit: I clicked on the link and saw its not double but more like 5500 vs 7500 or 36% increase
Reedit: its 5500 to 7000 or 30% increase

It’s the closest comparison I can think of without checking every bike out there.
Personally, I see very little difference apart from the frame to justify the price hike. Whilst @Power13 has listed the differences I don’t think they are game changers, just improvements with the frame being the biggest.

I agree with your comment but even the frame what is one offering that the other is not. With the same tube shapes as the 2017, Grand Tours were won.

Come on then fella.

Point to them.

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  • Math is good: (looking at original MSRP / RRP)

    • 7000 / 5550 = 1.26
    • That means 126% increase looking from high to low.

For reference, “double” would be 200% for that value (11,000 price), while 100% would be the same (5550 price).
- So we are well below your “double” statement and closer to the same price side of the pendulum stroke.

I can’t precisely cover the exact reason in any case, this included, but can only make suggestions along the lines we have covered at steps above (Inflation = 5 years, technological advances, MFG issues re:C-19, etc.)

I edited before you answered I had not clicked on the link dont hold onto my math mistake to make your point

This is not correct, since the new bike is 7000, and the old bike is 5550 for actual values.

Ok i edit again then

Mathematically this is wrong.
The increase from 5500 to 7000 is 30%. Edit i fucked up and meant 27% as written below
Double would be 100% increase.