I think it’s Live Slow, Ride Fast, which is the name of Laurens Ten Dam & Friends Podcast
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Weird issue. Trying to get JOIN to get a winter season planned.
Doesn’t matter what plan I select - or how many times I readjust it. It still sticks the same next 7 days of workouts in - a mix of vo2, threshold, mixed and tempo workouts.
Literally no way to get it to give me a simple winter plan. Despite the fact that I finished a 5 day MTB stage race two days ago and my “JOIN” level is at an all time high, it still wants me to do vo2 today on the “stamina builder”, “Lsrf”, “ftp builder” etc plans.
It also keeps demanding that I increase my hours, just because I did lots of hours last week during the race…
How did the stage race go ?
Moderately disappointing. 16/350ish on GC, but I also got run over and put in hospital with a traumatic brain injury six weeks ago, so it would be mealy-mouthed of me to blame JOIN for any poor performance. Obv this is just silly amateur category. Jordan Sarrou put 30mins into me on the final 60k stage. Nearly beat Lecomte, meaningless tho that is 
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For me it’s still going great, I just did my best all time 5 minute power and I did it on rollers even without crashing after a long day at work and 2h of commuting with someone crashing into (though I think it will start hurting more tomorrow then today
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you did well to make the start … hope you didn’t take any risks ? I broke my foot 8 weeks ago and still not allowed to ride outside !!!
I’ve just got a watch on the Channel as I enjoyed using Join and like to see what is happening with, but not currently using so can’t give any advice on the training plan
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I’ve tried enough plans (which I didn’t all finish) to see that most start the same but gradually each go in their own direction. For winter maintenance my favourite plan so far is LSRF but not go too crazy with the availability. I tried indoor training but it was way too intense for me and I contacted support about the the number of intense workouts I got and I switched to LSRF though after that they contacted me to say they had found a bug on their side in the workout completion algorithm so it didn’t detect I had already completed several intense workouts…
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What would this consist of? I think I know, but if you clarify, others might be able to make some kind of recommendation or share what Join told them when they asked for the same.
Glad you didn’t get hurt worse in the accident and you’re doing well enough to race so well!
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Thanks for the positive vibes @Pbase and @TheHunted.
I sort of was expecting something along the lines of a progressively increasing program of two high endurance workouts and one tempo/threshold/muscular endurance workout per 3-day block, rather than a mix of random vo2 efforts and/or straight into 4*10 @ 105% @ 50rpm 9 months out from my first race.
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From my experience they do constant low cadence work on Stamina Builder.
From what I see Join follows what’s usual in most European Pro’s training, and that means some type of VO2 work every 10 days or so in their base programs, they don’t do any crazy one type of workout progression and they follow a 3 days on, 1 off with sparse recovery weeks.
You really need to be comfortable with this Philosophy or Join will probably be frustrating.
Personally this fits me well, and even if I don’t understand how, I’m hitting personal bests in all my power profile except 5s, I’m 48 and training since 2015 with the same volume since 2019, maybe there’s something better out there, but for this price I’m not complaining.
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Just listened to the new podcast, it was quite interesting to listen to in general but 2 things stuck out:
●Join level rises after a ride/workout to give you instant gratification for your workout rather than the days afterwards to account for supercompensation
●They are working on running support with a build up schedule for running which will ultimately allow you to replace cycling workouts with running but still focus on your cycling goals
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I’m glad to hear running is on their roadmap, but it really frustrates me that they have it as a high priority instead of fixing all the little things that need to be fixed for cycling first.
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Much like TR, a growing (and potentially slightly naive) business is going to focus on stuff that brings in new custom before stuff that satisfied current ones.
Why did TR introduce masters plans before introducing wlv2?
That said running on join isn’t hard to do. You just do a workout that is aerobically the equivalent workouts, click ‘did this instead’ and get on with your life. Join just increases level by hrtss.
Because they have >1 employee and different people can work on different things at the same time? And maybe the one(s) who just had to copy/past the existing plan and replace the 3rd interval with an endurance day happened to finish first?
All just wildly guessing.
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I’ve heard that things can go faster if more than one person works on them. Maybe you and I can start a consulting firm with all of this wisdom?
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Have a read of this
https://community.dynamics.com/blogs/post/?postid=b80c1cae-4a72-4248-aa80-532232d9df35
If you follow somebody link continues delivery, you’ll know there there is in general a optimum size for a development team (and it tops out at about 8) , it’s a bit like fixing a puncture, 2 people make easier (one fixing the tube, one finding the cause), 3 will get in each others way, 10 will just be a chaos, your better of having the others doing other things … like what @Slowwithouttwitch said
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I have also heard that once in a while. Often followed by that the project had been cancelled.
I think you’d do great in consulting!
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I can’t take an article seriously that has grammar that poor in its headline.
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If Grammer stops you being part of the conversation or information you, read the Microsoft one (middle one of the three links I provided then) then
https://community.dynamics.com/blogs/post/?postid=b80c1cae-4a72-4248-aa80-532232d9df35
Wanted to mention a new observation in JOINs favour.
Recently decided to try out Xert and decided to do a DEEP dive into all of its metrics. I like it, a lot! One of their big things are called “breakthroughs” that essentially improvements to your FTP (it’s actually much more). In analyzing my previous data, my time spent on TR led to minimal breakthroughs but still small improvements in my performance. My with JOIN had breakthroughs all over the place! Most of it attributed to the 1 min sprint efforts or any all efforts JOIN uses.
The biggest revelation though is the constant reminder that volume is king. Even in Xert everything is about increasing training load in order to drive improvements. So will JOINs crude algorithm my not optimize Things perfectly, it does a great job of keeping things fun and increasing training load to get you 95% of the way there. I’d go as far as saying that the remaining 5% won’t be achieved by any online platform and rather achieved by a coach.
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