So the only reference to ‘sweetspot’ is in the wko level you can see in George’s screenshot - that’s the progression level for AT purposes. It’s level 1.3 because it’s, yes, tempo rather than sweetspot!
In old money the workout is tempo. It’s still a tempo workout. Nothing has changed to stop it being a tempo workout. But for progression level purposes TR have put these workouts in the sweetspot progression level.
Now I’m totally confused.
now I’m back to a state of confusion too 
I get the distinct feeling that the levels and descriptions are a little bit of a mess.
I didn’t realise there was a tempo level so my understanding was totally wrong from the other thread.
The joys of being outside the AT tent pissing in 
I responded in the other thread for where this was brought up:
So basically my assumption is it’s part of the earliest progression line possible for sweetspot work. Probably means it is more effective to do longer intervals at 80% than shorter ones at 88% because the goal is muscular endurance rather than training the aerobic system? Anyway, that’s my theory.
The thing I really don’t understand is why the old plans have been taken away. If they’d just been put in an archive somewhere, so we could still use them if we want to (without AT), literally everyone would be happy. It just seems so weird to me that they’ve not done this when that would solve all the problems.
Except it wasn’t only one 12 week plan for $119. You had access to all of the TR plans and the library of 3k+ workouts.
From the looks of it, I think the SSB plans got the best facelift, focusing on true sweetspot instead of just threshold and working on extending time instead of a bunch of 8-10 minute intervals with 5 minutes of recovery.
My only question though is with the build, how they think that a progression level < 5 for the VO2 max workouts is truly going to help to build VO2 max. The 1st half of general build has a few from SSB, and then the 2nd half of general build is where they’re adding some of those “VO2” workouts that just don’t seem like they should be categorized as such. Bluebell is just not that hard of a workout, I am not sure how San Cristobal and Laureate are going to progress on taylor and bluebell.
As someone who enjoyed the old structure of SSB HV, I’ll admit I was taken aback by the change. I’ve made the easy endurance rides a little longer but still on the easier side of z2 workouts, and fortunately I’m on AT so I’ve been on a trajectory where I’m on level 8 and 9 for sweet spot. Leaving that aside, we’ve only had like 2 weeks with these new plans and find it a bit nuts that we’re jumping to conclusions already.
I seem to step in to be TR apologist quite a bit, and I guess this is another instance. TR is often in a no-win situation with folks. Prior to AT and their updated plans, they were basically accused of being dogmatic and not changing their plans. Now, they’ve used the knowledge they’re building on progression levels and developed plans that will gradually challenge individuals. Look, the tools are available if you want to make the plans more challenging for yourself, sub out the workouts for higher level stuff, try to study the trends of progression and work with the new structure to develop a plan that works for you.
What workout was that? I’ve had a quick look on the SSBMV plans and can’t find any SS intervals that short. Nor can I see a workout longer than 90 mins.
Especially, because much more important is consistency. Most of us can to much heavier workouts, but can you keep them up for 8 weeks without failure.
I have analyzed my last years notes and for me the pattern was clear, I feel amazing for the first 3-5 weeks and then it all slowly falls apart. Then I need to adjust and at the end the block is 10 weeks or more.
Lets see how those news ones are going…
TR is often in a no-win situation with folks.
Except like I said there’s an easy way with this one to cater to both sets of people; bring back the old plans as well as the new ones.
Even if they don’t want beginners to see the new plans and get confused there’s no reason why they can’t put them in an archive page.
I’m on SPBMV, not SSBMV. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Since SPB could mean either Short Power Build or Sustained Power Build, you need to be even more specific than that.
I suggest ShPB and SuPB or something like that. It’s a common issue and I wish there was a different first initial so we didn’t have to clarify, but it is what it is.
I agree. Perhaps you could Opt into them like you do with experimental plans. I don’t think it’s any cost to them and it would satisfy a significant portion of the nostalgic user base.
Well, today was interesting. The workout for the day was DOLLAR LAW VO2 Max 4.8
As my app is buggy as hell on my tablet I always get presented with the Train Now screen prior to my work out and low and behold, the recommended workout for that day was a VO2 Max workout at 7.8! That’s a significant difference between what the plan prescribes at 4.8.
If I’m honest this threw me into a flat spin, and I ended up wasting about 10 minutes trying to decide what to do which ate into my training time. In the end I picked Shortoff which is the same as Dollar Law in terms of duration of intervals but has much shorter recoveries and is only an hour long (as I’d wasted time I needed a shorter session).
This is now my problem… the AI says Progression level 7, the plan says 4… I don’t want to be having to second guess my plan so why release the plans if they are reliant on AI to get them to your level.
I assume I am just in a small cohort of people for whom this is an issue but at the moment it feels pretty unsettling as I think I’ll either have to spend time rejigging the whole plan with harder sessions or scrape back through my calendar to last years SuPB plan and copy that.
I’m genuinely not impressed now. Someone above said this was a ‘Pigs Ear’, but I’ll go further and say I feel the whole thing is an Omnishambles (which is a polite British way of saying it’s a cl*ster**ck).
Oh… and the buggy app on the Samsung… crashed out 12secs from the end of the 5th interval and I had to reload the app. Just sort it out TR.
Sorry Chad, not sure why my last longer post was a reply to you… my bad.
YOur point is well made and noted. SuPB.
I hope you emailed support because TR is not reading every post on this forum you know 
Especially since your problems are NOT shared by everyone it seems.
HI, yes I did email support about the Tablet issues but there hasn’t been a fix. I suspect they have bigger fish to fry, although the fact I can see another users workouts and data on my calendar (albeit my wife’s) and they can see mine indicates a breach of privacy law and you’d think that TR would be keen to sort that out ASAP. I could claim personal injury and distress as now I know my wife’s FTP is higher than mine
I haven’t emailed support about the plans issue as that’s just the way it is for now. However, from what I am reading above I think there are still a sizeable group that feel the same way.