Do z1 on the couch?!
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I’m not a MAF expert but I don’t think you stop Z2 until your legs feel dead. That hasn’t happened to me yet. Here’s my recent history of Z2 workout TSS recovering from a broken hip (all on Zwift). I missed the 2 days this week because I was working out of town and did not have access to a bike but I hiked outside both of those days. TSS is calculated on my pre-injury FTP.
Please don’t put potential spoilers on the forum. I’m sure a number of people watch the TdF on catch up. I don’t for one want to have to exclude the TR forum from the websites I don’t use until I know the result of the stage
Cheers
Cary
It’s all relative – age, training age, previous training history.
I rarely do a ride all in power zone 1 – when I move to VO2 intervals and :30 all-out efforts, my Monday and Friday rides are an hour in low zone 2, and that leaves me with fresh legs for the hard stuff on Tues and Sat.
I just got through with two pretty big months of MAF training with two power zone 4 days each week. I also had a June where all I had to do was ride, eat, sleep, and watch TV.
I have a lot of years in my legs, so this week – which was “just go out and ride for 2 hrs in zone 2 every day” – was enough to bring TSB up from -25 to +10. I feel ready to go into a block of VO2 intervals now.
For somebody else, it wouldn’t work at all…
I use pettit or something in the low .6 IF range as easy enough work I’m feeling fresher then next day than that particular day. It’s still going to have a little bit of work, but my HR average for those rides is usually about 105-110. Strava suffer score of like a 9 or something silly. Since it is only 1 hour, it is usually about a recovery need of 8-12 hours, so i’m usually fresher the next day. While its not a “recovery” ride, it is easy enough. I try to do a mix of endurance paces depending on how I’m feeling that day. So just listen to your body.
Erm…reference to me taking the #100 post in this topic.
There isn’t a single rider in the TdF who is nearing win #100.
I’m much more interested in my own performance than anything happening at the French circus, but thanks for your concern. 
Last weekend I did a 3, 4, and 5hr ride; the next couple of days I had a bit of stiffness/soreness in the legs (maybe a 3/10). I’m not sure if it was the cumulative hours or that single 5hr ride (my first ever!) which was the cause. Was normal 2 days later. It was also the first time my legs “hurt” since starting MAF one month ago. Guess I’ve got some experimenting to do this summer.
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Sorry I thought it was a reference to Woot van Ert (or however you spell it) Apologies
“woot” is an expression when celebrating, and FWIW the cyclist spells his name Wout
No worries. And Wout’s coolness rating would hit 11/10 if his name was ‘Woot’. 
best I could do…sorry… 
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Congrats!
p.s. it’s surprising to read posts like that, around here there are a LOT of cyclists doing long rides and I see at least one epic long ride a week in my Strava feed…
One of the local endurance kings and 4 time winner of the DK200 Fatbike class went from never finishing better than sixth in sport mtb races to his current awesomeness after his coach Brian Matter had him rides months! of LSD. Now he does training rides of 5 hours at 225W… Now admittedly he is a strong responder to this style of training but none-the-less he can still throw down in shorter harder efforts.
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Never had any reason to ride for that long. 
I’ve started incorporating shorter harder efforts into my rides – 3sec “bursts” to take my HR right to the top of my MAF range. Gotta take it where you can get it! 
Have you read Maffetones Big Yellow Book about MAF training?
Nope. But may order it this weekend. Is there a big difference in the content between ‘The Maffetone Method’ and ‘The Big Book’? General health vs competition training?
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Question: if the workout contains varying %FTP, e.g. 65-70-75%, do you adjust all intervals “to stay as close to 180-age as you can”? If that’s the case then why do TR workouts at all? Just ride at your max MAF (180-age) and correspond that to the upper limits of your Z2/~70% FTP?
Maybe I’m missing something…?
Yep.
“There’s a better way — and none of it involves any hard training, intervals or speedwork.” P.Maffetone.
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