Marmotte Granfondo Alpes 2024

More gears you have, the better. I’d say bring a 32 at the minimum, more if you can. I’m not going to make it this year sadly, but for 2025 I’m going to be running 10-33 & 35/48. Go for 10-36 if you can run it on your bike, better to have a bail out gear and not need it, than find yourself sat in your easiest gear suffering, grinding away thinking “Oh, i wish I listened to that random on the TR forum” lol

The feed stop at the top of the Glandon (Or Croix de Fer) is very chaotic. Make sure you go over the timing matt before fannying around getting food, bottles etc (or not if you’re not bothered about your overall time). You can go over it and then keep a wide berth going round it if you need to get to a stall before the matt. Just make sure you don’t go over it again or you’ll mess up your timing.

If it goes down the Mollard again in 2024, just beware the road surface is attrocious and it’s super hard to see due to the tree cover/shade. Careful of the corners at the bottom as i saw a bad crash there in 2023.

Make sure you’re in a group for the drag from the bottom of the Mollard to the Telegraphe as it’s quite a distance to do on your own and it’s not completely flat. I got pulled along in a big group and it was bliss.

There’s a food stop just before the start of the Telegraphe if you need it. I picked up powders at the top of the Croix de Fer so i stopped just before the bridge at the base and used the public water pump to fill up my bottles.

If you see someone walking up the telegraphe, don’t feel too smug that you’re still on your bike grinding away. You never know, 10 minutes later you may hit the wall yourself and realise just how far you’ve still got to go (ask me how i know lol)

It starts to get super hot on the telegraphe as the morning sun starts to bake you alive. Make sure you’ve got plenty of water to get to the top. Better to have more than not enough. I found myself stopping for water numerous times just to keep my bottles topped up - I’d rather have more than have to take little sips trying to preserve it.

There’s no way around it, going up the Alpe is probably going to SUCK. It’s been baking in the sun all day so it’s stupidly hot and you can’t escape the sun. Fill your bottles up at the base feed stop, stand in the water mists until you feel brave enough to go suffer. Think to yourself, it’s not impossible, it’s just gonna be super hard.

You’ll probably get part way up and think why the heck have i spent all this money, all this time training to put myself through this suffering. Then, you’ll get to the top, get your medal and think yea, that was great - i 10/10 enjoyed that and all your negative thoughts will just vanish lol.

The crowd cheering you on going up the alpe will spur you on. Spectators at the side of the road offering to poor freezing cold mountain water on your back will be your best friends. I think one of the best feelings i’ve ever had was one of those water goddesses pouring freezing cold water on my neck and it trickled right down my back and down my crack. I get funny looks when i tell people that but it truly was something else lol

Make sure you do some low cadence training, you may find yourself having to grind. Heat aclimatise as much as you can. There’s no way round it, you’re going to bake so may as well be as prepared as possible

Hope that helps…

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Wauw that is awesome feedback! Thanks a million. I am gonna enjoy it. The thing I am looking for is the cut off scheme per age category for the different medal times. Seems hard to find…. Do you have a tip where to find it?? I will be 65 and have some unfinished business to do. More than 20 years ago I have done it but only rememberingvthe trauma of missing gold on 9 mins and having a puncture at the bottom of the alp and a total break down / bonking getting up the alp. Never suffered more on a bike than that time. So will adjust my gearing to 31 front and 34 back is what I can run. Gives me a gear ratio of 0.9 which feels comfortable. The biggest difference for me is that now I am retired I have plenty of time to train. Something I didn’t do 20 years ago. We thought we could ride a bike for 200km so why not do the Marmotte … :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:. The weather is what it is. I ride better in the heat than the cold. But great hearing your tips on water points!! Coming from NZ I live in an area that is all year round 15-30 degrees…. And having summer now is a luxury to ride outside.
Shame you can’t do this year! If I don’t succeed in gold this year I will be back the next time……
Thanks again for you great response!!
Cheers Gijs.

They’ve done away with gold, silver, bronze times - you just get a medal now :slight_smile:

All the best, good luck!

NO WAY….Oh really what a shame!! Thanks for letting me know, will track back what it was in the past and make it up for myself……

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What @JCorfield wrote feels like my own story from the '23 edition.
Wish i new in front about the water fountain at the start of Telegraphe. Could have saved me some time.

About gearing. I ran 34/34 and at 200W (75kgs) that put me on average around 65rpm up the Alpe.

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I would also say unless you are at the high end of the W/KG scale, get the smallest gearing that is feasible for you. I ran a different event that is similar in climbing and difficulty of the climbs last year and ran 36/34 I didn’t have my best day and I would have wished for 34/34 (was at 80kg /310w FTP ) at some points especially at the end. And considering that you climb most of the time during those races having less cross chaining and being able to stay more to the middle of the cassette is also benefitial.

I’m currently a bit down, planned on getting a good Nobember and December with lot’s of base in, but got sick multiple times (Covid and flu) then at the beginning of the year I got pneumonia… Not beeing able to train got my depression going and my eating habits out of whack so i also gained 8kg… Hope I can get back into it this week and finally start training focused for the Marmotte… Will probably change my plan to train for a local shorter punchy race in may and focus all the training on the Marmotte to get at least back to last years form.

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For sure. I was hoping to still be able to put out around 240w on the Alpe, which would have got me a far more enjoyable cadence. But at minimal a 1:1 ratio for your lightest gear would be my recommendation and if you can, go even lighter.

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Gearing and going out too hard in the first half was my downfall and made the second half of the Galibier absolute torture.

Because I was still doing some club racing in the lead up to Marmotte I didn’t want to change to a compact so went with 53/39 and 11/30 on the back. Those ratios are fine for me normally and in the lead up was riding 150km and 3000m no problem. Marmotte is a different beast and ended up grinding the Galibier and Duez at 50 rmp. Hips were destroyed on the Galibier :grinning:.

I was 65kg and AI FTP was telling me 295. I decided on 80% FTP (235 - 240) on the climbs. Held 240 on the all the climbs in first half. Could only hold 210 on Galibier / Duez and was kooked. I think AI FTP overestimates for me.

So this year I will make a few changes:

  1. Put the compact on and 11/32 cassette
  2. Do a 20 min FTP test a few weeks out and use this number to pace the climbs around 78-80% FTP. Ignore AIFTP
  3. Do more tempo training in the 6 weeks before the event
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I think one thing that often gets underestimated is the altitude… I personally rode multiple times up to around 2000m before my event last year but I really started to struggle above 2000m and felt the altitude, around 2000m the charts say around 87% of FTP available… if you have 300w that is 261 and if you take 80% of lthat you should put out wattage closer to 210W… So especially on the Galibier it will be super important to not overpace it…

I would also second doing longer Tempo and or Sweetspot intervals and I would probably also go for long FTP intervals to push out Time to exaustion, this really helped my to be able to hold .8-.9 of FTP way longer.

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What is this chart you mention? Would seem to align with my experience where I was below 200w on the last few km of Galibier and didn’t have the gearing for watts so low.

This blog has a chart: Altitude and Aerobic Performance - Joe Friel
And another blog: The Effect of Racing at Altitude | TrainingPeaks

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What is the general advice around using a TR plan for this event? Opt for the Grandfondo event type or the Climbing Road Race? Or something completely different? Thanks!

When you’re going for a top 100 placing the climbing road race would be an option, but even then it is a stretch.

The grand fondo plan is best for most riders I think.
During the Marmotte you will spend many hours at the low tempo zone (circa 80-83%). You would do best to avoid time above FTP during the event of you can.

ETA: also try to do as much volume as possible in addition to the plan.

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Thanks for the reply! Gran Fondo is what I had in mind. I’ll start with a low volume plan and supplement with Train now whenever I’m feeling it and will do longer weekend rides as well. I live in the mountains and can train long climbs here quite well. I assume that would be a good one to add? Don’t want to be cooked for the next weeks key workouts though.

Yeah, all about specificity. So if you can do (‘easy’) climbing training all the better.

Just make sure to determine which workouts are the key workouts of your week and make sure you’re not to fatigued for those.

I am doing the master sustained build med. volume together with the grand fondo speciality. I am wondering tho, if the vo2max workouts should be there in the speciality? As you say, you should not be doing vo2 max at all in the event?

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Some pretty good information in the below from Alpine Cols, all pretty sensible in terms of training, nutrition etc.

I would favour long road miles at the weekend over short TR workouts if you have the opportunity. Marmotte is a long day in the saddle and I got pains in my wrist, arms, back, neck etc that I had never experienced before even though I had ridden some big rides in advance.

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Kinda did my own thing towards the '23 edition (no TR plan) and didn’t do any vo2 work in the last weeks before the event. Focused everything around doing long sweetspot efforts and did one over/under session a week. Besides the obvious long endurance rides.

As for doing Vo2 during the event. If you can avoid it, avoid it. Just checked my numbers from my ride. I spend a total of 19 minutes at threshold or above over the entire ride.

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You should avoid intensities associated with the VO2max power zone during the event, yes.

Training VO2max, though, is something different and is beneficial for improving you aerobic fitness and lifts the power at which you can do your tempo intervals. So when it is in your plan it is worth doing. The resource posted by @arthurdaly is worth checking out though. If you want to adjust the standard trainingsplan a bit.

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I was wondering about vo2max too. Of course people not racing it should not get close to vo2power during the ride, but don’t you want to train your vo2max to be able to use oxygen the best you can when you get in altitude? The galibier is above 2600m, you probably really feel the lower oxygen there.

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