Just weighed one of my new Revives that I have for my build. Rim only was less than 343g, and that’s with a small / light plastic wrapper on it (Less than 10g) so that rim is coming in under advertised weight.
I would not be worried about the bearings of Campy/Fulcrum wheels. I rode C/F wheels for years and years in our miserable weather and never had any issues with the hubs.
The adjustable hub preload is great and even their basic steel bearings are very smooth.
This is probably your best bet. Many of my buddies have their gravel and road wheelsets. No issues, great performance, and a real bargain relative to US / western country branded products.
Was actually heavily leaning towards the Grapid twenty-nines but another user on this forum in other thread mentioned they had a bad experience with them and felt their spoke pattern/count made them a flimsy wheel. Went back to the drawing board after that.
Can you tell the difference between these wheels and other carbon wheels? I’m very interested in buying used G23’s because my gravel riding has lots of climbing and rocks. The weight savings and rim design seem perfect for me. I’m a bit hesitant also because the design seems to be 5 years old (ex: 23mm internal width).
I run zipp 303 firecrests, checked all the boxes for me (weight is not my top priority on the gravel bike). They pop up on sale at good discounts, way less than 2500, I think I paid ~1500 for my set.
My main comparison points would be other ENVE rims and a set up Bontrager AeolusPro 3V’s that came with one of my bikes.
The Aeolus Pro 3Vs are 25mm internal, but really a different class of wheel compared to the ENVE’s - more a mid-range offering. It found them sluggish on gravel and ended up using them as training wheels when I did road rides on the gravel bike.
Along with the G23s, I have a set of 3.4ARs and the new 4.5s, both 25mm ID. I still prefer the G23s on true gravel days. They are a little more forgiving, climb super wheel, and I’m very much used to the “feel”.
The 3.4ARs are a really versatile wheelset. You can put them on a road bike with 28s and they are great, or you can put them on your gravel bike. I really like them with bigger slick road tires, like 34s, for “dirty road” days. I used them this year riding the East Maui Loop, which has a lot of chopped up pavement and a bit of gravel on the backside, and they were fantastic. They are a bit stiffer than the G23s though.
The 4.5 I consider more road wheels, but I think Alexey Vermeulen used them at Unbound last year. Maybe at the speeds he is going there is some aero benefit, but with bigger tires, like 47s, I’d need to be convinced that there is still any aero benefit. They are outstanding on the road though - super versatile.
Another wheel to think about is the ENVE M525, their XC wheel. Its 25mm ID and still pretty light. If someone were riding some some pretty rough courses and had clearance for bigger tires, it could be a great option. Thinking Big Sugar on some Conti Race Kings. I run these on my Trek Supercaliber and similar to the G23’s have been bullet proof.
Did end up ordering a set of the WAO Revives. With their 20% off sale there just didn’t seem to be much that was comparable price wise with carbon rims and a name brand hub. Supposed to be 1301g with the CX Rays which seems competitive.
I got a set of Enve AG25 on sale for about the same price as the Revives with 20% off. I haven’t been able to take them outside for a long ride yet, but they were a huge PITA to tape, seal, and install the cassette on. I hope these are one-time issues and that the wheels perform as advertised.
I’ve heard great things about the Revives and would switch in a second if the AG25s don’t work out. Please let me know how they are.
Ah the best price I’ve seen for AG 25s (on sale ~$1900) was >$700 more CAD than the Revives. Also cheaper than LB WR35s with DT350s, Roval Terra CLs, Woven G40, Reserve 25 GRs…
I’m running Maxxis Ramblers in 45mm on my AG25s and the eThirteen Race Helix cassette. My intent is to use them for chunkier gravel and/or lots of climbing. (I had the Ramblers lying around.). If I switch the front chainring from a 40T to 38T then I keep the same top end as the stock Rival XPLR setup (38-9 is nearly identical to 40-10), but gain a good climbing gear ratio (38-45).
Planning for the same with the 12 speed GRX when I get a new frame maybe next year (leaning towards a Yoeleo) the main reason for switching will be to be able to run a tire >42c but will also go 1x (current 11spd 2x GRX) with a 38T chain ring and 10-45 cassette. I don’t intend to be holding >50km/h on a gravel bike for significant periods anytime soon and the 38x45 will bring me down to 7.9kmh at a cadence of 70, which should manage a pretty steep pitch.
What I don’t understand is if aero matters when running 40mm+ gravel tires. Envy says no. Reserve seems to say yes because they have the 40/44 GR wheels. Hunt also says yes.
I have the narrower Discus 45 | 32 LTD, and they are great: they are very well-behaved in cross winds, plenty stiff, the hubs never needed any maintenance (although the wider version comes with different hubs, I believe). And they ride very well, too.
@WindWarrior
How do you like yours? I wonder whether the wider gravel wheelset behaves comparably to the narrower road-focussed wheelset.