It’s French for shower, so easy to see where the various slang terms come from.
I’m not a fan of the look, but I have to agree with you. If they’re getting rid of the Emonda and going all in on the hole, they have to have evidence that it sells bikes.
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You can believe it or not I don’t really care. This is just coming from an Engineer at Trek on the project. They went all in on reducing weight because that’s what the pros wanted. I have no skin in this game, just relaying what I was told. Not sure why it riled you up so much. Cheers.
LOL!
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Ha. Unintentional. 
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Me, if I was doing a triathlon.
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I’m curious if the aero bottles will make a further improvement on the gen7
They said they’re optimized for Gen 8 but of course they said they tested them and saw improvements on other bikes, cause they want to be able to sell them to everyone. The DT on the new bike is a bit wider than Gen 7 so they’re not going to be as “hidden” as they are behind the Gen 8 block DT
Gen 7 cage bosses are pretty well optimized compared to most bikes (by the eyeball test). They are low on the frame and the st bottle sits pretty close to the bulky bb junction area. It’s something that the tour magazine testing wouldn’t pick up because they test with a single dt bottle (we think).
It doesn’t look like the gen 8 bottle would even fit on the gen 7 st due to this, but round bottles much easier to live with anyway.
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Do you know if one bottle on the down tube is more aero than both bottles on the gen7?
I don’t know, but there is a lower, third boss for the dt cage so you can run it in a position that excludes the use of a st cage. For that reason I would hypothesize yes.
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This conversation has made me really happy I don’t do TT’s
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I have this bike in team livery and TBH, I like the logo. It just seems to work with the overall scheme; I see it more as part of the paint design rather than just an advertisement for the bike.
I don’t like it on the Emonda of this time, though. For some reason it only works on the bigger tubing of the Madone, IMO.
I was not fond of the oversized logos on Gen 6 but on the flip side was also not a fan of the somewhat sterile look of the Gen 7 matte silver with no logo on the DT at all. I’m not sure what’s worse though
, the two above or how Trek used to put their name on literally every tube of the bike in the early 2010s
Specialized are still doing it
So far the IsoFlow (subjective styling aside) is proving to be a more reliable gimmick than IsoSpeed, if you can call it a gimmick at all. I know two people now who have developed side to side play on their Gen 6 Madone posts and the Trek store can’t seem to resolve it because I think the frames have taken some damage, and since it’s a serviceable area I doubt they’re going to get any help warranty wise from what is essentially a lack of maintenance. We’ll see how the hole does long term, but it’s definitely a more simple system and any concerns people had about these things spontaneously snapping should be quelled especially after the Madone was used in all of the cobbled races this year (and saw a few podiums too)
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Somebody leaked the release video.
Yeah, already shared in a new Gen 8 thread:
I will probably morph that one into the “official” one once we get the embargo drop with info & reviews. So let’s move all new Gen 8 discussion over there.
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Oops, wrong thread. Thanks.
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I mean, do you also believe that combining the madone and emonda and cutting 2 sizes from the lineup had nothing to do with the financially motivated SKU reduction, as they’re claiming?
I personally don’t count the test of one bike with aero bottles vs the other without as legitimate. Nothing stopping you from running aero bottles on any bike, except of course that they don’t function for their intended purpose of keeping you hydrated.
Beyond that, there’s no doubt they changed the testing protocol. Specifically I find it quite likely that they’re only comparing 0 degrees of yaw, where we know that shallower tubes can do alright as long as they’re very narrow. But that is not the same testing protocol they used when designing the gen 7, nor is it the one that best represents real world conditions.
The marketing around the madone 8 launch is nothing but an IQ test.
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