Let me explain a bit more… If there was interesting data and no subscription, I would get the Oura ring for nighttime as right now I often get up at 2 or 3am (getting older!) and put my Apple Watch back on. I believe my issue with HRV4Training is just that - my issue because my HRV data seems to be an outlier. Not sure exactly what changed, but its gone from ‘clamped under 30ms’ for many many years, to values fluctuating between 50-100ms in the last month. In the past, I have paired HRV4Training with a Garmin HRM, used the phone camera, and feeding it with Apple Watch data. Confident my values were low and fairly unchanging so that made me an outlier IMHO. And I don’t have any sleep issues, so no app/data needed for that. Hope that helps.
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According to FB posts from existing Oura 2 users who upgrade, it’s free for lifetime (that you own a 3).
I can confirm this. I got the upgrade notice in my Oura app. I’ve been using a gen 2 for two and half years. I got $50 off and a lifetime subscription for free. I’ve seen some other users say they purchased their gen 2 ring within the last quarter and got $100 off. A blog post on Oura’s site mentioned that return of the gen 2 ring was required for the lifetime subscription but nothing in my checkout process mentioned it.
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Thanks. The membership is free for 6 months for new users. I’d guess that you will get a notice at some point to activate your free membership after the 6 month period that you will have to return your Oura 2 (it has value in the market). Some U.K. members have posted that the membership is valued at $150 which seems about right (2 1/2 years) as the product life cycles seems to have been about 3 years each for the Oura 1 and the 2.
I use mine for sleep tracking and based on my own experience it is very accurate. The resting HR also seems ok. I am not sure about the HRV yet, numbers are all over the place. Been collecting data with a view to having a proper look soon. The readiness is “ok” but it doesn’t “know” that my legs are really sore and I definitely need to avoid intervals today. I will definitely consider the gen 3.
Intervals.icu supports Oura and Hrv4training for those interested in plotting this stuff along with their TSS and so on.
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There’s a discussion about this on the FB threads. My understanding is that Oura uses an average resting HR during the night, while most fitness devices that measure resting HR take it in the morning. Just something to be aware of.
Thanks for the intervals.icu info.
Thanks for adding the auto-sync functionality to Intervals. I hope Oura keeps the api updated and you can bring in SPO2 once the gen 3 ring ships.
(I’m Theo_Bromine in the Intervals eco-system)
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Has anyone found any information from them on what happens to current Gen 2 owners who don’t upgrade? Are they saying that we’d have to start paying a membership fee for access to the app? I specifically chose to buy Oura because there wasn’t an ongoing cost. I hope they are not imposing that fee on folks who have invested in their earlier products.
For the record, I am definitely considering the upgrade, but I am curious what happens to those who don’t. My wife and I have both had Gen 2 rings for about 18 months now.
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Here is what an administrator of the FB Oura Science just posted:
"Okay guys- I contacted someone at Oura and got a response regarding the subscription for current users :
“If you’re currently a Gen2 Oura Ring Member and decide to stick with your Gen2 ring without upgrading to the new Oura Ring Generation 3, we’ll continue to support your product with routine software and firmware updates for up to 2 years post Gen3 release. You’ll still have access to all the same features currently available on your Gen2 ring. However, because there are technological differences between Gen2 and Gen3, as we continue to release new features, many of them may not be available on Gen2 due to limitations in its interior hardware.”
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Good to know! Thanks for sharing.
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I am on my second Oura Gen 2, originally buying it in December 2020 and getting a warranty replacement in July of this year (battery issues). I am a huge fan of the Oura Ring and am considering upgrading at some point, but not sure if I want to pull the trigger in the 14-day window or wait and get one later.
Under the warranty rules, my current ring should be covered through December 2022, but one question I have is that if the battery dies again, what do I get as a warranty replacement? One of the returned Gen2 rings? A new Gen3 in exchange for some additional cash? Another item to consider is that the Gen3 warranty is only for one year in the US, not two like the rest of the world.
I need to stew on this for a bit, however I am stoked for the new (hopefully functioning) functionality.
Tx. Intervals.icu keeps average sleeping HR and resting HR separately. For Oura the resting HR is the lowest value during sleep.
I got the offer today as well. See below, lifetime subscription. I use mine (gen 2, 7 months old) most nights, but it doesn’t provide any better data than my Garmin watch for me to use, and poorly integrates with any fitness based cloud services i.e. Training Peaks, TR, Garmin Connect, Strava). It hasn’t helped me sleep better, it pretty much just assures me that I am tired. Mine always seems to indicate that my resting HR is the minimum overnight, last night being 39 (rest day), tonight my guess says it will read 44 (Deception-2 workout). It sort of indicates my recovery profile based on the HR trend, but I push hard, go slow, and sleep a few hours each night anyways. The temperature trend hasn’t seemed very useful.
A new bike saddle would be a better way for me to spend the upgrade cost, or perhaps some fancy watch bands, weighted blanket, new shoes…
I just placed the upgrade order for Gen3. For me, the sleep tracker of Garmin Fenix6 is BS, it almost always tells me that my sleep has been good, perfect or smth, even though I’d have slept very poorly.
Interesting to see how have they improved the activity tracking in Gen3.
It looks like you have to make the decision to upgrade pretty soon (November 9th) to get the discount and free membership. For those users that may not be ready to upgrade, that may cost them.
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odd, the email that I got said that “you do not need to return your old ring to be eligible for your unique offer” so i’m guessing they’re not sure either?
The latest email I received from them did indicate that returning the ring was not required.
I just ordered an Oura 3. Actually, though, I’m a new user so I’ll be subject to the membership fee after 6 months. That’s OK with me though as I know that it keeps the company incentivized to continue to support current users and innovate.
On a related note, the company moved its HQ from Finland to SF, raised $100M in new financing ($148 in total) and hired Peloton’s global head of product marketing as its chief marketing officer. IMO, Oura has the potential of a growth ride not dissimilar to Peloton. As an upcoming user, I look forward to what they will be able to do in continuing to improve their sleep analysis.
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Some in-laws and relatives have sleep apnea, and I’m genuinely curious/interested in what you expect to gain by having sleep data?
It’s a long answer but perhaps I can provide a bit of insight:
Great sleepers, such as my wife, are easily refreshed after most nights. If not, they usually know exactly why they aren’t fresh (e.g. up too late, drank too much, excess stress dealing with parents, etc. btw: these are real examples).
For those of us with sleep apnea, it can be a struggle and a lousy night sleep can be easily noticeable in both mental and athletic performance and other areas of life. In my younger days, tenacity could overcome much of this. Not so easy anymore.
There are easy answers to this (or at least opportunities for improvement), including complete abstention from coffee (and any caffeinated products), ditto for alcohol, never staying up past a certain hour, etc. None of this is realistic though. So what I’d like to be able to do is understand cause/effect better analytically, and dial in those (and other) causes to try to improve the quality of my sleep in hopes of performance and other improvements as mentioned.
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Thanks, and I get it. Count me among those that can fall asleep anywhere and anytime. The people I know with sleep apnea don’t have the patience to try and look for correlations, was thinking maybe Oura had an easy answer. Hope you get some insights!!!
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