Pro/Elite training

Once again one of these case where folks can get confused. And how difficult it is to interpret the training of others.

On the bike, they use INSCYD to get your threshold, which was for me at 394W.

I could do it for an hour on a climb

The threshold is 385, so we always take a little back to ensure I don’t overdo it in the sessions.

O.k. FTP ~390 or similar

A typical training week for Frederic

It was with a 3x20min at LT1 (336, 349,350 W) on the road bike and uphill. I measured lactate at 1.4 mmol after the first one and 1.6 mmol after the last one.

Wow, LT1 ~ 336-350W !!

Really? Do we actually know how LT1 is defined for him? 0.3mmol above baseline? Or even 1mmol above?

Let’s check Strava:

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So this upper zone 2/fat max/endurance pace is not LT1 (as it is defined for/by him). Once again, metrics are meaningless without their definitions.

My guess is that zone 2 is baseline lactate for him. And LT1 something like 0.5 mmol above baseline.

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“…the biggest improvements in a cyclist comes when he rides about 10% below his actual anaerobic threshold.”

Lemond and Guimard advocating for sweet-spot training before it even existed as a thing.

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of course not. Fatmax has nothing to do with LT1 no matter how it is defined.

I see, I didn’t get across what I wanted to say. Apologies for causing confusion. At no point it was my intention to imply that LT1 equals Fatmax.

Low cadence training is also mentioned in latest Scientific Triathlon podcast (briefly) and that there’s more research coming out on this type of training.
Instinctively, going so low just doesn’t make sense to me… Guess it’s very specific to triathletes mainly @sryke have you seen a lot of pro’s doing this type of training?

You see a fair few of the quickstep guys training at low cadence. I also know a fair few people semi-pro which get set tempo at 2mins 50 cadence, 2 mins 110 for example.

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Yes, many pros do this low cadence training. Really many. Across all teams.

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One purpose of going low cadence 50-60 rpm at tempo intensity is to activate fast twitch fibres without increasing intensity above threshold. Changing cadence to high cadence after low cadence helps to utilize this muscle at more specific rpm.
Low cadence can help if your strength is limiter. It can also be efficient for fast twitch athlete to increase aerobic efficency. Doctore Ferrari wrote something like this and it seems resonable. But he recommends to use a bit higher cadence at threshold around 70 rpm, because if cadence is too low, there is no enough oxygen, because contraction of a muscle are too long. Alternating cadence also could help to increase neuromuscular efficency probably.

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and even some non-pros :wink: I’ve long done low cadence training (LOL) on climbing rides, hurrah for a low W/kg. And most recently my coach has been giving me some interesting high/low cadence work at threshold.

So after a couple of weeks of rehab and low volume riding, Egan Bernal is back with his monster weeks with a tiny amount of short efforts.

Is there anything to mimic here for us mere mortals?

Here are the days where he cared to use the lap button:





And some easier efforts in the first big week:





This little efforts were inserted in a ~60h 2 week period.


Domestic pro Tom Gibbons of Automatic Abus posted his numbers from their weeklong team camp in Boulder.
Roughly 4x TrainerRoad’s high volume plan TSS…

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He is on his bike more than most are at work. Very cool! Also that TSS!

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“most” work for less than 30h a week??

a bit above 1000TSS per week isn’t very much either, I have done that for months.

TSS does not mean much without the FTP causing it. Doing 1000 TSS with a 6 wkg ftp can be tricky.
Good Kj for 3 weeks, averaging 3000kj per day at <70kg is no joke even for a pro.

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I thought that as well, seems low for a training camp, although lots of hours and average of 56% whereas Gibbons was 0.71 IF and getting towards twice the TSS

yea, gibbons camp is carnage

I read it as 2 weeks, LOL. Not nearly as impressive as I thought.