Maybe it’s resistant to arrow attacks like the cybertruck. 
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Since it’s been referenced, but not linked from what I see:
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What a flop.
11 speed cassette, £1800, wifi is extra.
I’m encouraged by DCR’s findings around ERG mode, but not enough to spend that much money on it
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Interesting. Would be cool if it works!
I was referring to this part when I said I didn’t think it would ever happen. Ray’s words, from the article you linked: “ If we look at other trainers, I haven’t fully tried them. Folks might remember the now infamous chat thread between Wahoo & TACX years ago where Wahoo’s CEO agreed to providing compatibility with the lead Tacx engineer, only to step back away from that for competitive reasons. Thus presumably, some editions of the NEO’s are probably compatible too. But again, that’d really be up to individual companies to validate”
But I guess that’s the point you were trying to make with “comparable” vs “integrated”.
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Feels like a huge miss and the only reason I could see upgrading is if my 2T dies and I was offered an upgrade discount.
DC said that the long cage (only option) for 12sp Shimano comes really close to the trainer. The 2T has a similar issue.
My head is pointed to the question of what happens to the Neo 2T? Currently “on sale” for $900 USD, which is somewhere between the new 3M & Flux trainers.
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If the current sale is meant at burning up stock to a zero level, they will end up with a Grand Canyon wide gap between their top tier and mid tier trainers.
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If the 2T becomes that new “middle” ground at $900 USD or similar price, I could see that as a better long term option. That or they will eventually be forced to adjust the 3M pricing downward to get any quantify of sales in order to gain toward ROI from the time and development costs.
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I haven’t made my way all the way through the DCRainmaker video yet, but it’d be a shame if they didn’t resolve the clearance issue on the NDS with disc brake bikes.
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Sadly, he doesn’t seem to mention it. Nor does Des and I asked Shane if he knew of anything (despite not getting a test unit) and he wasn’t aware of a change or not.
Still an unknown from what I see as of now. If they “fixed it”, I would have guessed that it would be at least a bullet point in the release. Lack of any mention makes me suspect it’s still present, but perhaps they fixed it along with the other design changes and didn’t bother to mention it?
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It’d be a huge miss if they didn’t fix it. I’ve had to replace two brake hoses with the 2T and now just unbolt the caliper when the bike is on the trainer. Huge pain.
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Accuracy - the untold story gets told by DCRainmaker the OG tester! Love it.
Tacx Neo 3M vs Kickr - “its disturbing how far down the rabbit hole I go” 
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I’ve asked for clarity on exact NDS differences in relation to brakes. They’re getting a specific compatibility template/sheet/something tomorrow morning (Netherlands time).
Certainly, they redesigned a fair bit there in terms of the adapters and how they interface. And, as seen on the drive side, that’s all redesigned (for better or worse).
Will update/etc accordingly tomorrow.
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The NEO 2T remains in the lineup for now.
One could look at the specifics of the 3M portion of the naming scheme as obvious hints to how things might evolve down the road for a more direct 2T replacement.
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Awesome, thanks for tracking this down!
Or they get rid of the 2T, and introduce a slightly higher priced 3 without the motion. That would be my guess, similar to Wahoo with the Kickr6 vs. Kickr Motion
Shiew. For 2k I’m ditching the trainer and getting an indoor bike
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Yeah, that is sort of what I was hinting at and I think loosely confirmed by Ray’s reply. I doubt that Garmin will leave the hole between the 3M & Flux. A 3 (3F = fixed) or some other named unit that is mostly a 2T with perhaps some mild tweaks seems likely to me.
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Yeah, gets closer to kicking that door open. But there’s still a step up to getting those:
- Neo Bike $3200 USD
- Kickr Bike Shift $3000 USD
- Stages SB20 $2100-2500 USD depending on the active “sale” they are running.
So, on par with Stages if a person wants to gamble on their solvency, or $1k more to get into Tacx or Wahoo’s entry level bikes. Potentially enough advantage with bike adjustments for shared use or other smart bike advantages to sway some shoppers at those price points.
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my 2cents.
I have a wahoo Kickr bike v1 on a rocker plate. I got the bike for $2500 when Zwift was clearing inventory in 2022.
If I didn’t do that I’d just grab a wahoo Kickr core. Previously I had the original elite direto. It worked fine with a little lag in erg mode. For me, there’s just not enough difference making features between the wahoo Kickr core and other trainers $900 and up.
I’ve never tried rocker plates with fore-aft movement so maybe that would be a difference maker. But side to side movement is nice but also easy to implement cheap DIY solutions.
It’s nice that there’s options out there but $2k is pretty wow
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Well at least it seems we’re now at a point where many trainers work as expected at launch (too soon to tell?).
Which makes it hard to justify the price premium given the cheaper alternatives. Is there any relevant feature that’s unique to the 3M that you’ll be willing to pay for, even if you had cash to burn? Maybe ethernet connection or less lag for those really into Zwift? But 2k and you still have to pay for the adapter, c’mon…
Tangential, but It reminded me of Kurt Kinetic’s crusade against ANT+ with the argument that it was unnecessary when you had ethernet and Bluetooth. But the ethernet port in their trainers was not functional by default and their technical support suggested to buy an ANT+ dongle to avoid dropouts.
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From watching the video, the 3M uniquely is the best trainer for doing short on/off intervals. For those that demand such precision. Is there any evidence that such precision makes a difference in performance outcomes? And related, extend that question to the indoor precision of any intervals. And then think about what some of the best in the world do to improve performance outcomes. 
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