Tour de France 2021 - Speculation and Gossip

I actually think I looked at it a long time ago but never finished it. Does Landis explain how he doped and why he tested positive after the stage. AFAICT, he never explained it. I guess that he took a blood bag that had Testosterone in it from training.

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It’s interesting: he touches on that somewhat. He’s very clear on what he was using and when. To make a long story short, he fought the charges so fiercely because the doping positive didn’t make any sense: he was popped for exogenous testosterone but was using HGH exclusively by that point—both in competition and at the time the blood was drawn.

Landis is an extremely polarizing figure (to say the least), but in context there’s little reason to think he’s lying about such minutiae.

Pogacar needs to take up acting classes.
A certain American was helped a lot by his charisma

So the police raided the Bahrain team hotel…

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Not surprised….people have been talking about their performances for months.

I hope they don’t find anything (and because there is nothing to find vs well hidden), but……

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Carapaz was on the limit of his acting talent :grin:

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The Bahrain hotel was raided for rider power files though, which is weird.

Several Bahrain riders upload everything to Strava? Sonny Colbrelli’s 12-2020 training for example.

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They left with power files but probably they were looking for something else.

I thought that was interesting too.

I agree but then the next conclusion is that someone far up the chain has the ability to decide that they didn’t like Landis winning the Tour and wanted him out. Or he was somehow doped unknowingly at the Tour with testosterone.

Regarding Bahrain - even in the LA era, they knew to not having anything illegal in their hotel rooms or team buses.

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The way Pogacar attacks in the saddle is just mindblowing.
He is not a pure climber, yet he is the best climber to ever do it. Literally!
Every climb he rides, he is the fastest ever.

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On the other thread folks are talking about how none of the also-rans are willing to jeopardize their ā€œpodium place.ā€ Sure, it’s fun to watch some über-dude sit on the wheel of his rivals as they judiciously bump up against their threshold for the last 20 min of each mountain stage, but God what I would give for a Landis-style suicide attack right now. Doped or not, it was a joy to watch someone who did not give one single fsck about getting second.

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My dad used to say that every convict claimed they were innocent of the charges, but were proud of the other crimes they had ā€œgotten away withā€ā€¦

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I don’t think the analogy holds here: it’s more like a serial killer who confesses in great detail to a long list of crimes, including the crime they’re charged with, just claims that they bludgeoned the victim with a rolling pin and not a baseball bat.

Some more pot stirring. Here are the two w/kg from Ben OConner for the Tourmalet and the finishing climb


Ben finished 34 seconds down on the winner. You can assume he is a bit lighter than his normal weight of 67kg but these results are not really crazy.

Carapaz also has his data from yesterday: https://www.strava.com/activities/5626776242/power-curve/2910

Not exactly eye popping.

I know Cav and CO were going as easy as they could up the Tourmalet to meet the time cut but, anyone have his power for the climb?

Declercq did 305w for 51 mins on the last climb which is roughly 4w/kg for his size

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I was about to post that exact article.

It’s quite interesting.

I hadn’t factored in the temps and style of racing prior to the critical earlier stage climbs. It does seem that as the temps get higher and the racing is more steady, the top 3 are much closer on performance. I imagine that if we had Bernal, Remco and upright Roglic, we’d have a much tighter battle to watch.

As Jonathan points out, Pogacar does see to go very well in the cold. MVDP is somewhat similar. We all seem to have our preferred temp range. Personally, any heat and my performance absolutely tanks, compared to my peers.

However, if it’s really cold or wet as well, my performance also tanks, dramatically. Basically, I have a very narrow band of semi high performance operation.

This phenomenon is something we often see in the World Tour. I think it’s more obvious in grand tours due to the greater fatigue. Jonathan is 100% on point here. What we’re watching here is fatigue resistance and glycogen sparing. The rider best able to conserve glycogen over each race day, is likely to be the winner. Provided they meet the GC requirements etc.

Pog does a ton of specific training on this, as do most of the GC riders now. It’s interesting that if one rider was able to tolerate just 20g more carbs per hour than their competitors, over a long 5hr stage, that alone could be enough for victory.

Ignoring the two critical earlier stages, it seems we’re talking about margins in seconds now. So, as a percentage, not much.

Personally, I haven’t really felt like we were seeing anything suspect this year, due to all the reasons many have listed.

The only performance that’s truly stood out to me in 2021 is by Mark Padum. His two mountain finishes were madness. I’m in no way pointing the finger. I do not know the young man and am not familiar with his previous performances.

He really was on another level those couple of days. As were a few of the Bahrain Victorious team. There’s been some speculation over that in general, this year.

That may explain the recent room search.

I really hope it amounts to nothing.

I’m sure some individual World Tour riders are doping in some manner, but for it to be a complex team wide program in 2021, it would be horrible for the sport.

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