If you have 8.9 threshold your sweetspot and tempo should be much higher too (as well as endurance but I could see endurance level being tied to the time you can endurance being in the saddle and not necessarily your power output)
I think there should be just 4 zones: lipolytic (z1), glycolytic (z3), mixed (z2) and creatine kinase (z3+ bursts)
I believe we already talked about this in another topic, and I highlighted the lack of improvements in different spectrums, 5s, 5m, etc.
I don’t have any specific goal, but in order to create some sort of peak, an feed the system with an event, I created a “climb road race” which looked adequate for me as I’d like to improve in a famous hill segment around about 12 min long.
I fed the system with this “fake race”, purely because there’s no “improve your 10min power plan”.
The issue is that only “receiving” vo2 and threshold workouts, based on plan builder, wouldn’t make me ready for a road race, flat or hill. I’m not an expert, but at least a couple of anaerobic efforts should’ve been suggested by this plan.
The adaptations, IMO, should be something like, ok, this guy is completing the VO2 and Thresholds adequately, so lets look at another areas he can improve, oh look, he’s level 1 in sprint, there’s no sprint workout is his plan, lets “adapt it” to improve this area a bit, just a bit. It wouldn’t hurt.
REmember, it’s a race plan, there’ll be lots of gaps to close, and even an anaerobic effort to the top of the climb.
Edit: I forgot, I stick to the plan as much as I could. Not even trainnow. I did some schedule changes though, which I don’t believe affected the plan as the load and area to be improved were essentially the same. I also had associated a unstructured outside ride with a couple of workouts, after seeing that this isn’t recommended, I unmatched those rides.
Have you actually gotten to and completed the Specialty phase? Looking at the default for the Rolling Road Race, Low Volume, there is an Anerobic workout on the default Tuesday, with VO2 for Thursday and Saturday.
I would expect that to follow a General Build which looks like it also includes some sprinty Anaerobic workouts there too:
I am not sure I saw your other topic comments, but so much of this depends on the current phase you are in and the other options you selected within the Plan Builder. If the plan seems to not follow your expectations, I’d suggest and email to TR support to see if there is a bug or some other issue.
From the default plans I see, there should be at least some of what you mention covered in the TR plan.
Sorry I edited. It was climb road race, high volume for two months.
Vo2 monday, endurance tuesday, vo2 wednesday, endurance thursday, friday off, threshold saturday, SS sunday
OK, then that is down to your selection of that as the Specialty vs something like Rolling Road Race. Each one of their Specialty plans has different focus and set of workouts to hit certain effort goals. If you wanted Anaerobic included, using the Rolling Road Race would have been a better pick.
Regardless of the written labels on any TR plan, I always preview the workouts in them with respect to my expected needs or interests. I mix and match as needed without sticking to names if the work is not what I need.
I haven’t come across another solution that surpasses TR for UX/UI and overall usability and polish. There’s lots of competing solutions that offer tons of data and detail.
Not much else out there – if anything – that distills it down, without dumbing it down.
that’s what I’ve been doing
Thanks anyway
Coaching.
“want”, but don’t expect. I think they dropped the ball on a very good opportunity early on. And before anyone says “that is/was just not the vision”. I get that. I’m saying it should have been part of it. Why would I say that? This forum. Heck, even this thread. LOL. Other than the memes, tech, and other non-training related posts, a very large majority of the posts I read are: “let’s crowdsource my coaching?”
(I happen to think WKO missed it too. The so-called self-coached athlete has a nice chunk of disposable income that they are unwilling to give a coach 
)
I would come back if I was able to use it on zwift so I can use at the same time without glitching up my Bluetooth/ant. Workouts are easy to make and they missed an opportunity to give people something other than a never ending blue line.
In what sense? In place of the app or just an add on feature?
Add on. Consults. They look at your TR plan, workouts, history, etc., and correspond. Could have even used this software (discourse forum) to do it. Charge a fee or make it part of a “TR Premium” package.
Most ppl do not need day-to-day, high cost, high touch coaching. They need a little guidance from time to time. I have participated in coaching sites for a low monthly fee and have also used one-off consults. At a certain point, you don’t need it (ask any old-timer), but early on it was cheaper than almost everything in this sport and well worth the spend.
Yes but then there is matter who is the coach and what are coache’s competences. If I had a money for consultation I would like to choose the coach I find the best who is way, way above my level of knowledge. If you do not have idea what are you doing, I find this forum more than enough, especially there are some people with vast knowledge. The only hope would be that can be nice additional source of clients for revenue (isn’t intervals.icu having links to coaches for consultations?)
I fully understand where are you coming from and sometimes I wish I could do 1 maybr 2 consultations yearly to check some things and pick way better brain than mine. The second thing is that metrics TR privides are pretty basic and allow to solve pretty basic problems (that can be also solved on the forum). For more advanced things better metrics (hello intervals.icu/wko) can provide another layer of information.
I’ve seen burnout mentioned a few times
In this topic and there are certainly others. I fell into the SSB burnout cycle twice before realizing I needed something else. Polarized ended up being what I needed.
My suggestion would be to modify the workflow in plan builder, as well as the list of choices in Individual Training Plans to not list SSB as the first option and to not default to it in Custom Plan Builder. IMO, Traditional Base/Build should be first. Ideally, there would be support for a simple workflow that helps the user head down the appropriate path, esp. if they are new to the platform or structured training.
This would help avoid the burnout cycle, IMO.
Adaptive training you would expect to say you should work on ??? We dont get that we just get a PL adjustment each week based on our performance and response on how the workout was.
Even Garmin tells me to do more VO2 if everything is aerobic.
I think @Nate_Pearson has mentioned this before
I am now 63. I ride 4 times a week most of the year. The promise of plans for those who were older were always promised. Even flexibility in the plans would help. The current structure has me still liking the workout library but the plans themselves leave a lot for me. The PLs are only useful for me to pick a workout. I really dont care what my PL is.
Current strategy for me is to switch to a more polarized approach. This comes from the last 5 months of dealing with a nagging problem that impacted my ability to do the VO2 and threshold workouts. In essence more endurance and volume does more for me then multiple vo2 and threshold workouts. No surprise here but it really did hit home with me this year.
I dont need a plan for a time crunch athlete. I need a plan that allows an old person to recover properly and keep the decline from getting set in.
I’m more excited for this than WLV2
I remembered the big feature I’d like: “Train Tomorrow.” The idea is to see what Train Now might recommend a day or two in advance (assuming you do nothing in between). 
I think that’s the ideal - ‘We’ve detected that you have a limiter with x - would you like us to adjust your plan to work on that?’ etc. But I think there’s even a step before that, which is just getting plan builder to ask a few more questions than just ‘what’s your event?’ - a kind of basic ‘coaching conversation’ that guides you through a few questions about your strengths, weaknesses, longer term goals, etc. and then builds you a plan around that, taking into account your events (if you have them), but not completely governed by them.
