Raise a ticket whenever you have a query or think something ain’t right.
It seems to be run more as a Pilot than a Beta, because there is no guidance, feedback route or testing elements.
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- TR has been clear, that regardless of any data and devices, rider perception is an integral aspect to the function of AT. There is nothing that can replace the potential info shared via the head of a rider.
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They won’t share details, but TR is using at least power for an element in the evaluation. They also seem to be using cadence and heart rate at this time.
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I suspect as other devices prove consistent and effective, they will add those as factors. Things like smart scales, and recovery monitors (like Whoop) may also see use in the future, but nothing concrete planned or shared at this time.
Essentially, I suggest people come up with whatever internal system makes sense to them, because I don’t see these rider surveys going away anytime soon (if ever).
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Disagree but not strongly. Coggan provided guidelines and suggested values to help someone calibrate their brain. What you feel is what you feel. Coggan provided a solid starting point to calibrating brain/body.
Sprintervals are an interesting case. I’ve done some where I limped home in zone1, completely depleted despite proper fueling. That, and/or feeling like I’m going to pass out or puke. On Monday I did 12 sprints and after 8 minute recovery did a zone2-to-FTP 17 minute effort and felt fine. So I gave that a 4 out of 5 (9 out of 10) rating as I didn’t leave it all on the road.
As you said, the key is picking a rating system and CONSISTENTLY using it.
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I actually like his system, and applied it into my personal spreadsheet as a result. It makes perfect sense to me in that application.
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However, I don’t think it has a practical application in the frame of completing the “Pass” survey for TR’s AT. Two different tools is all. There may be some crossover, but I also see that it could lead to confusion, not the least of which is that the Coggan scale is 1-10 and TR’s survey is 1-5.
Thats where we disagree then. If TR isn’t giving strong guidance or examples, easily accessed when you are rating, then its a miss by TR in my opinion. And the Coggan guidelines are as good as any, either divide by 2 or rewrite your own.
Hence the reason I suggested that TR step up and provide their own guidance.
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+1 for this. I’d much much rather have my Wahoo head unit upload directly to TR and Strava both instead of just to Strava and then have TR download from Strava. Then TR could have the raw data instead of the stripped down version Strava provides. On my Wahoo I have much better power data available. (Left/Right balance etc).
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Have done so now.
Just noticed: the workouts that haven’t received adaptations don’t have text like “VO2max 6.9” on their calendar icon. The indoor versions do so it seems that it’s on TR’s side in that these workouts aren’t being added to the system correctly. With no recommended PL to begin with there’s no way AT can modify it.
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I get that, but it’s see it as flawed due to the implied/forced associations to training zones/levels:
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If I end up with a Threshold workout on my calendar that is well below my ability, and proceed I smash it with ease, I am rating it as a 1, not a 3.
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Conversely, If I end up doing a 4 hour Endurance ride on the trainer and end really worked over (prehaps I have maxed out at 2 hours previously), I think a 3-4 is very appropriate.
Point being that those numbers you suggest (yours or Coggan aligned) assume a “proper” workout on the schedule that aligns with the rider’s current ability. That is largely the goal of AT, but there are certainly times where there will be intentional or unintentional differences in the AT recorded PL of the rider, and whatever ends up on the calendar.
As such, I think your suggestion works when everything is “perfect”, but fails to handle the times when those differences exist, or days when we notably exceed or fall short (while not “failing” enough to trigger a Struggle survey) of the prescribed workout.
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Subjective ratings are inherently flawed 
Didn’t take the time to fit in “what it feels like on a good day” so don’t take “what it feels like” so literally. People need a mental frame of reference for mapping an interval to a number from 1 to 5, and that mental frame of reference is when you are having a good day and doing appropriate level of work.
Don’t overthink it.
and if I had time and inclination I’d add another column with something that looks like your description
- Everything in this arena is flawed, nothing is immune. And that’s coming from a perfectionist that is trying to be more of a realist these days
- I’m all good and comfortable within the system. My energy here is aimed at helping others.
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I’d have added another column for descriptive, but there wasn’t enough space after my copy&paste and 1-minute of editing.
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I would think the “fatigue” option is most appropriate. It doesn’t really matter where the fatigue comes from, especially if it’s a constant, as what it’s suggesting is you probably need slightly easier workouts to be able to achieve your best effort whilst managing your fatigue level.
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OK, in the spirit of silliness…
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EASY: Coach Chad is seriously a GREAT guy
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MODERATE: Coach Chad is pretty cool & I want to buy him a micro-brew
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HARD: Coach Chad is kinda mean. But he’s doing it to make me faster, so it’s OK
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VERY HARD: Coach Chad is not nice! What does he have against me???
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ALL OUT: Coach Chad is pure EVIL!!!
Somebody, get me help… right NOW!!! 
I want a refund, TrainerRoad! 
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Seriously more post like this, collecting into a single graphic, would go a long way to help athletes not overthink it!!!
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More silliness:
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Easy: So easy Nate can do it.
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Moderate: Jonathan’s hair is still intact.
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Hard: Has Amber stopped smiling?
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Very Hard: Chad’s broken sweat.
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All Out: Get Thor in here!
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We could pull some prime snaps from some of the group ramp tests…
Taken at different stages along the way (1-smiles up to terrible dead face for 5), for each rating as another reference
PS, Jon seems to have a hat on for all of them, so the hair is fully covered, unfortunately 
1 - Easy… … / 2 - Moderate / 3 - Hard… / 4 - Very Hard / 5 - All Out
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5 is Nate’s broken chain in the sprint video, or collapsing on the ground after finishing 2nd or 3rd in the foothills race video!
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Sounds like they could be out-of-plan workouts from moving things around in the calendar before updating Plan Builder.