Adjusting strength training to avoid DOMS

Yeah this is pretty much perfect in terms of those lifts alongside riding. Like 60% of max/fatigue or a 6/10 RPE if you want to go there, and erring toward lighter weight higher rep range to get there is what I prefer and recommend during build, and probably about 60% of the year overall.

Also very common. People like to work on things they are good at, when they should do the opposite in many cases. (A guy training for Leadville with a weak sprint shouldn’t train his sprint much, LOL).

This is the way!

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I am not good at strength nor do I think it will help me on the bike (originally, I hoped for solving bike fit issues but I don’t anymore). Being weak and a climber (while 6’2’') I need any strength I can get!

On the bike, I need volume but don’t have time and I should do more VO2Max but not in the early spring when the allergic season starts. I know what works for me but with the time given I try to do what benefits me more in the long term.

I understand that the original question was focusing on the bike and there is time when I only cycle to maximize the volume benefit. But I wanted to share my strength/cycling experience because it took me long time before it was not a chore in the gym. Not only the intensity is the culprit as everyone here warned. In the previous years I was also trying to do a lot of volume in the gym which leads only to tiredness in both.

Hey - sorry for the delay, been super busy at work which, sadly, doesn’t involve fun things like bikes. As mentioned to Helv, apologies for mixing up your name with someone else, certainly not intentional.

Below please find three studies/articles on strength training and glycolysis.

The first, which I’ve posted previously, shows trained endurance athletes obtaining a significant increase in OBLA as a result of 12-15 rep strength training (while maintaining their endurance training) for two months. I personally believe the weights used should have been much heavier, but they followed NSCA guidelines (which suck IMO) so it is what it is.

https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2018/05000/aerobic_exercise_supplemented_with_muscular.25.aspx

The second examines a 5x10 rep leg press routine vs. 10x5 rep leg press routine and, using muscle biopsies and blood samples, shows that glycolysis is clearly taking place. An interesting part of this study is the comparison of muscle lactate (not blood lactate) in the leg press compared to high intensity cycling/running (13.5 mmol-kg vs. 8 mmol-kg). In my opinion this provides a fantastic training benefit, as your leg muscles develop physiologically in response to work done under highly glycolytic conditions that are not experienced even when doing intervals. My criticism with the protocol used here is that the weight was too light - I would love to see the findings with heavier weights for 12-15 reps.

https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2014/10000/blood_ammonia_and_lactate_as_markers_of_muscle.11.aspx

The third is an article in Nature, which analyzes resistance exercise and glycolysis. It is rather technical so you might enjoy that aspect of it. To use their own words, “Here, we show that an RET-induced increase in PGC-1α4 (an isoform of the transcriptional co-activator PGC-1α) expression not only promotes muscle hypertrophy but also enhances glycolysis, providing a rapid supply of ATP for muscle contractions. In human skeletal muscle, PGC-1α4 binds to the nuclear receptor PPARβ following RET, resulting in downstream effects on the expressions of key glycolytic genes. In myotubes, we show that PGC-1α4 overexpression increases anaerobic glycolysis in a PPARβ-dependent manner and promotes muscle glucose uptake and fat oxidation.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-30056-6

In strength training circles people often use the term “metabolic strength training” when referring to higher rep sets. I don’t care for that term since, as long as you’re not dead, metabolism is occurring. I use the term glycolytic strength training to refer to how the body is fueling the work, and when you’re performing maximal strength training for 30+ seconds you are fueling it glycolytically, as the ATP-CP system is pretty much spent by 12-15 seconds. Cyclists like to structure training by energy system and this is a simple way of incorporating strength training into a cycling program. In any case, strength training can be neurologic if you structure it that way with the goal of increasing your 1 RM, but it can also be highly glycolytic, producing enormous quantities of muscle lactate, if you set it up properly. That’s the kind of strength training I advocate and I see no reason why, given the studies I provided that show either increased OBLA on the bike or glycolytic response under the microscope, your muscles won’t respond in a way that increases your FTP - you’re training to increase the amount of force (torque) you can produce while using lactate as fuel. Perhaps too many people are too busy pushing too much neuro weight lifting nonsense and should adapt a protocol that begins at the edge of neuromuscular training before moving into higher reps using that same weight (i.e. glycolytic strength training).

I appreciate the time it took you to write this response, but you missed the more fundamental point which was that glycolysis responds to energy state, and as we get stronger and better trained we either induce more initial demand (raw strength or sprint power) and are also reducing the inhibitory feedback mechanisms that reduce contractile function, which allows more glycolytic demand to occur. There’s also not really any such thing as “energy system training”, as much as it’s been perpetuated. They’re all active at various levels for various purposes at pretty much all exercise intensities. Plus… I don’t even know where start on your interpretation of lactate and strength training other than to say please refer to my first couple points.

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Maybe unrelated to this discussion here, but maybe not: is there any consensus on doing upper body and core strength workouts on rest days? So no leg exercises. Is this detrimental to my recovery?

I ask this within the context of a hard training block with up to three VO2max sessions in a week and three recovery/endurance rides. If I do my upper body gym session on the only day of not riding is this a bad idea or not?

It sure sounds like a bad idea, assuming you’re doing enough work in the gym to move you out of “rest and digest” mode.

I’d do it before a ride.

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Depends on how hard and how stressful they are. If you overdo it, they could impact you, but harder to do that than with legs.

I personally have no problem doing them, but my routine is about 45 minutes with a good amount of rest and I’ve never had them fatigue me for a next day workout doing them that way.

But If you’re exhausted and feeling it on a day off though, it’s better to just chill.

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I currently do 3 hard days in the gym but want to go to two hard days and one ‘mobility/injury prevention’ style day as I start to ride bikes more.

Are there any exercises people would recommend? I was thinking of banded monster walks, lunges in different directions, monkey foot for tib ant and hammies, pallof press, full depth knee over toe stuff? I do these bare foot for a bit more foot work as well.

I’ve made fantastic muscle gains in the gym and will happily sacrifice some cycling performance to keep my muscles so want to keep at least two hard days.