I finally just ordered a brand new BMC time machine road. I want to upgrade to some slightly deeper dish wheels for flat races. I saw that enve offers a lower price 65 depth wheelset. Has anyone on the forum here ridden them? and more specifically, does anyone know how they compare to the 5.6 or the 7.8 of the top tier Wheels they offer?
I am curious if it would be an actual upgrade to buy the lower end wheels, or if I would need to go for the full fat set. Cheers!
Several mentions in the original thread:
https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/search?q=%22foundation%2065%22%20topic%3A33256
I am tempted to merge this in there, but will see if the above helps first.
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Thanks for that. Some good info there I will look through.
the specific wheels that come on the bike are some sort of In-House DT Swiss based Wheels. I’m wondering if in this specific instance the foundations would be an upgrade, downgrade, or pretty neutral. The BMC website doesn’t say much about what they actually are.
I’ve posted in the other thread but the Foundation 65s are very, very good. They have reviewed well and performance is very close to Enve’s premium wheels.
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I doubt they’ll be a downgrade, provided their depths are actually significantly different from one another. Judging by the picture, I’d say they are at least 45 mm deep, perhaps a bit deeper. So I’d try to find out their true depth first and then see.
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I think they are 45s. The 65s would really be nice for flat races, so that’s an added bonus towards the Enve. But I’m not sure about hubs/bearings. If the others are DT Swiss, how do the two brands compare? Anyone have a link to a YT video or article about hubs and rolling resistance by chance?
I wouldn’t worry about that, Enve kit is top drawer stuff. My comment regarding the depth was just a question whether the wheels are different enough for it to be worth it. 45s vs. 65s IMHO is different enough, though. My new bike will have 45 mm deep wheels, that seems to be the goldilocks depth these days.
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I’d agree, but I have a light weight scott with rim breaks and 40s for windy and steep days, so I need to move away from sweet spot and into focused kit. Otherwise I’d agree that 45s are pretty close to the “one depth to rule them all” 
good to hear about the internals, too. I appreciate it!
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Did you get this bike yet? Would like to hear how it’s going if so. I’m seriously close to ordering one but the earliest possible delivery will be Nov 2022, which has me assuming it’ll be the 2023 model. I’m reluctant to put money on a bike with as-yet unknown specs but nothing else has my eye as much as the TMR, except maybe the orca aero
Well, I got the bike earlier this summer but had to go for Vision wheels. Turns out all the Enves were sold out until… basically now, even though I live 20 minutes from their HQ I would have waited, but I needed wheels for three big events (which turned out amazing but the way). Here’s a pic with the visions, which are tubeless by the way.
On the plus side I have a set of 45s and 80s for just the right situation (and my barely legal weight rim Scott Addict with tubs for climbing events)
Edit: @c-h-a-d that orca is probably one of the best looking aero bikes around right now. Is take whichever makes you happiest…or you can get first. Riding this one throughout the summer was an absolute joy (and led to some great KOMs and a second overall for a 14 mile downhill that even included the tour of Utah route
).
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Ooof that bike is sooo 
I lean to the bmc despite the orca having a better warranty and being a bit cheaper, neither will be available until next fall here so I have time to decide. I just am so drawn to that time machine. I have a set of 7. 8 wheels ordered which also won’t be here until fall 2022… what a year to need a bike!
Done any 4+ hour rides on the TM?
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Yeah, all the big events have been 5+ hours. Here’s one for example
Note I don’t have my power meter on it yet (getting pedals to keep the awesome crank) so power is irrelevant. But absolutely no comfort issues…and there was a 10 mile gravel section that we hit 44 mph on the decent, so it’s been amazing in all scenarios.
Slapping your Enves on would be…
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You’re a beast! Hell of a ride and makes me want the bmc even more 
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I have had a pair of Enve Foundation 45s on my road bike for a year now. Love them.
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