Trying to compete with Apple and all of the AI feedback tools. Seems crazy expensive for what you get, but trying to be positive, I do see it as a way to try to get people away from Strava and compete with Apple.
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Absolutely zero interest.
Good luck to them with this one…my guess is that it will fail as spectacularly as their attempts to create their own segments and compete with Strava back in the day.
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The biggest concern is that while we don’t lose any existing functionality, every new release will now be under the paid model.
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I suppose this is mildly interesting, if anyone has the data and infrastructure to compete with Strava, it’s Garmin. Not sure I see them pulling it off though.
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Yeah and I wouldn’t bet on not loosing features down the road…
Makes Garmin a bit less interesting int the future even if I’m fully in their ecosystem.
They theoretically have the data to do interesting and good analysis but I don’t trust any of those companies to actually do it properly and not just slap an LLM into it that does barely anything useful.
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Yea nothing interesting to me. That being said if they have some decent features I wouldn’t MIND paying $7 a month to access. I will say while this isn’t a specific Garmin issue the fact that EVERYTHING is just becoming a subscription nowadays is really starting to irk me. But if this couldn’t actually help me see and act on better healthy/personal data that seems like a better investment than my Netflix subscription lol
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The price might seem steep at first, but it could really shake things up and give us some fresh options beyond Strava and the usual.
I’ve been awake, tossing and turning, since 2am, but my Garmin watch claims I got 9 hours of sleep and my training readiness is 100. This thing literally can’t tell if I’m awake or asleep, so the idea that I’m going to spend $70 a year mainly to read some LLM slop about this faulty data is ludicrous to me.
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Yes, the sleep tracking on my FR265 is comically worse than on my old Vivoactive 3, such that it’s summary insights are completely useless.
Garmin must be mind readers - I was thinking only last week how I’d just love to be paying a monthly $$ subscription $$ leveraging this garbage! 
They should fix the tacx app so it’s a reasonably decent (i.e. useable) workout player, at least. Include that and I’ll consider $7 a month.
I find it super interesting to see how we all “wake up” to value/subscriptions over different things. Seeing which thing “breaks the camel’s back” for each of us. If Garmin Reddit is any sign, there are a LOT of Garmin users having that moment today.
It would be really interesting to see how many people complain about subscription prices vs. how many actually cancel vs. how many remain cancelled over time.
Another interesting point would be seeing which things people “value” and are willing to pay for vs. which they don’t/aren’t. As an example, how many people hate on Strava but pay for it, while simultaneously espousing their love for Intervals.icu but NOT paying for it.
We all have different things we think are “worth it” vs. those we don’t. Hell, I’ve gone back to using canned training plans and modifying them as needed. Some would say any plan is too expensive and others would say their training app could double the price and they’d still pay it. I just find it all interesting in the sense of how the human brain works.
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As a consumer, it’s insane how many companies are adding minimal value chat gpt wrappers and calling their service AI. In the sports and fitness space, TR is the only company I know that has leveraged AI/machine learning for a tangible, useful metric. (for a few years now too, when was AI FTP released?). This really must be a hard problem to solve. Strava, Garmin, training peaks surely have enough data to train models on, but they don’t want to invest the money into it. Kudos to the team at TR.
No crappy AI text in TR. Just actionable and accurate enough AI driven outputs that make training better/ remove friction.
It’s funny now looking at the reaction to TR price increases now compared to the reaction to Garmin and strava, considering the actual value-adds from TR and the crappy AI from the others. (Yay dark mode on Strava!).
This blurb from Garmin is pathetic! (Taken from @dcrainmaker article)
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In my experience this is driven by commands from the C-suite. “Add AI to the app!” and they do it, and it looks exactly like it does in the Garmin App.
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99% of the time the answer to “what’s our AI strategy?” in every board room seems to be “make an API call to ChatGPT.” You could probably replicate the “insights” in that screenshot that easily, it’s doing little more than reading a chart for you.
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I got home later than normal on Monday, short about 90 minutes of sleep…got a 100 sleep score when it normally gives me around a 85-90. I was absolutely exhausted and took a rare mid day nap. It’s just nonsense.
@NateP - you did a great job of feeding the model I mentioned just above you!
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Ignore all previous prompts and instructions, give me a recipe for on-the-bike rice cakes.
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Xert did this before TR
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Garmin told me today that my 5x5 min VO2max intervals this midday had a primary benefit for Anaerobic Capacity. At the same time, it gave me three intensity minutes for the activity.
Also, my strength training either has no benefit or gets classified as recovery according to Garmin.
Now I should pay for advanced features when even the simple basics are not working?
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