New Garmin devices can display a 3s power as a target and also use primary/secondary targets, which is way better than lap targets for several reasons.
Could TR please make this as well, or have the option for users to select either Lap or 3s power when sending workouts to Garmin?
See the difference 
(1st is Garmin Trainer, 2nd is TR).
Pretty sure youâre misunderstanding the pictures, the 1040 series does it this way too. The garmin is showing a target range of 121-175 or 115-135W depending on the picture, and is configured to show your actual 3s power or your lap power (I personally use both depending on the screen as they both have value for different things).
A target is a target for whatever lap or interval youâre working (usually a range but in TR for example itâs a certain power number during workouts), there is no â3s Targetâ on the Garmin, or anywhere else.
I was saying that I would like to see 3s power under the primary target instead of the lap target, as is the case with Garmin Trainer workouts, but it is currently not possible with TR.
Definitely not clear what youâre saying.
Show 3S power where? Instead of the Current power in the upper left of the TR App?
Also making sure this is just vocabulary: There is no such thing as a 3s target.
Or are you talking about Garmin functionality (In which case - that has nothing at all to do with TR, itâs how you set up the Garmin and the functionality of the Garmin Workout Screen)
As a primary target. This is related to how TR sends data to Garmin while some other platforms base it on 3s power.
I found these two also - hopefully this makes it clearer:
I think weâre getting somewhere:
I think you are misunderstanding some terminology and some of the other threads. Thereâs no such thing as a 3 second target (unless itâs a 3 second interval). And some of the other threads referring to a â3s targetâ or any other duration target arenât correct either or again, or it was a terminology thing.
Think about it. A target is either a specific power number, or a power range that youâre supposed to hit. There is no time component to that other than the duration of that target is determined by the length of the interval youâre currently riding.
What youâre talking about is the actual power being recorded and then how itâs reported and/or displayed (compared to your target) during the workout. Thereâs instantaneous, 3s, 5s, 10s, lap, average, normalized, etc, etc. - but none of those are targets, they are ways of reporting the actual power youâre putting out, which you then compare to your current target.
Thanks for sharing additional feedback. Yes, I was referring to having 3s power as the primary target, same as Garmin Trainer does. In short, TR could enable the option to push from TR to Garmin to use 3s power rather than lap power as the primary target, same as others do.
Again, thanks for your comments, but my request is the same as in the opening post; sorry if it was not clear enough initially.
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Iâm aware of this alternative solution but it would be nicer to use the workout layout and options the new devices such as 1050 offer, and in this case I wouldnât be able to use all of the Workout data screens, such as primary target.
No, you are not talking about a target at all. Or you are still misunderstanding what a target is. 3s power is not a target either in TR or on your Garmin, it is your actual instantaneous reported power smoothed / averaged over 3s. Target is the goal youâre trying to hit (or the range), the 3s or instantaneous power is what you actually did.
Iâm a Garmin Trainer, Garmin Head Unit, and TR user so am familiar with all three.
Could you please stop putting words in my mouth? Again, thank you for all the comments, but I know what I want and why I opened this thread. Apologies if I havenât made it clear enough, or used the wrong terminology.
âPrimary Targetâ is the name of the data screen Garmin made and what I was referring to. All I wanted was to have the 3s power on that screen instead of lap power, same as it happens on Garmin workouts. With TR, that can only happen if they make the necessary changes with how data is sent to Garmin.
TR set this value (Iâm not getting into the name of that value 
) in the workout file they export.
I think they made a mistake and it would be more useful to display 3s rather than lap in that field. So I fully agree with the OP.
I think fixing it would require TR to re-process all of their workouts - they seem reluctant to do this instead suggesting the workaround of creating a custom workout screen.
The reason it matters is that on the graphical display of the garmin we only have the equivalent of the âaverage power dotâ from the Trainerroad workout player - where I think it would be more useful to have equivalent of the vertical white line which is the 3s power.
I do think all of this is Garminâs fault for not naming the value appropriatelyâŚ
Even what Garmin is saying doesnât make this a âThree Second Targetâ and I still havenât seen anything anywhere that it actually says that. If it says â3s targetâ in a behind the scenes export file from Garmin or TR - I havenât seen that, but that is 100% an incorrect naming issue or a developer just chose a name quickly without thinking about it. (Seriously, think about it for a second, what the heck is a âthree second targetâ and how would you actually explain it to someone in english?)
Hereâs what I think the real issue is:
Functionally Garmin allows primary and secondary targets. Fine, no issue there. If weâre talking about a power target, you could display your 3s average power as a comparison to the target, but the 3s power isnât the target. The target itself is a power number (e.g. 220w) or a target range (200-240w). Some apps (e.g. TR) will take a range and convert it the power number for trainer execution. (e.g. if I choose a range in TrainingPeaks, send the workout to TR, TR converts to the singular power number).
Where the real question is, should TR or any other app pass 3s power to the Garmin? My argument is absolutely TR should NOT pass a smoothed or 3S average power out to an external app. Itâd break some of the functionality you get on your Garmin now and reduce the amount of data you have. I wouldnât be surprised if there was some smoothing, but you actually have more functionality if you donât smooth it at the source.
The Garmin Workout screen is a Garmin issue that I donât disagree with, itâd be great to have the ability to customize it more. On most other Garmin screens you can swap out 3s and instantaneous power or display both side-by-side. I do it all the time and generally you want the ability to choose, so you would not want TR or the source app to send a smoothed or average power, because that removes the ability to show instantaneous. Garmin doesnât allow full customization of all the fields on the workout screen, which is really a Garmin software / usability issue and would be the easiest way to fix the problem. You can swap some stuff, but I didnât see a way to do this even though the data is there and you can do it on other screens.
But at the end of the day, showing my average lap power and instantaneous power both against a target range seems to work perfectly fine.
Garmin call it the âTARGET_TYPEâ parameter
These are the optionsâŚ
Trainerroad have chosen âPOWER_LAPâ but the OP (and me, and everyone with any sense) would prefer they chose âPOWER_3sâ
This has no affect at all on how the power is recorded - just how it is compaired to the target
This has come up a few times in the forumâŚ
Ok - I think I may know where youâre coming from now, not totally certain on that, but the terminology is terrible. Guessing Iâm not seeing it, because my outside workouts originate from TP and flow from there to the Garmin.
Then again - Reading quickly I donât always agree with some of the assertions in the linked thread. There are absolutely some intervals where Iâm trying to hit a certain average power, there are some where itâs NP, and then thereâs some where Iâm trying to maintain a target range. Right now I want to be able to see average and my instantaneous or 3s (doesnât really matter to me) and my normalized as well if possible as comparison to the target power for the interval.
Then again, thatâs why I have a button to quickly swap back and forth between workout screens if needed, and that gives me access to everything anyways.
The best outcome would absolutely be for the end user to be able to change this after the workout has been sent over from TrainerRoad to Garmin⌠but this would be for Garmin to enable.
I do admit this is a matter of opinion.
However, I would argue that the 3s âTARGET_TYPEâ would be more useful to more people and is more in-line with the ethos of completing intervals that TrainerRoad promote in their literature and on the Podcast - which has always been to stay as close to the target power as you can throughout the length of an interval and not chase the average.
Thanks for this, I completely agree, especially on the outside training.
What TR could do is make it optional for users to choose between POWER_LAP or POWER_3s when sending data to Garmin or make it configurable on the user profile, etc. Lots of optionsâŚ
Iâd been following this since the post and was confused as to what was wanted up until this latest post of yours.
I have an older Edge 530 and when using a TR workout on it I noticed that the âprogress barâ of the interval was just displaying âstep averageâ or âlap averageâ and not my 3s power. I thought that to be worthless so I have added a page that I can use to display 3s average power along with a âworkout comparisonâ
A âStep Averageâ or âLap Averageâ might be ok for a
longer interval such as 15 minutes but to try and use that for something like Wild Snow which is 2â intervals at 113% is for me, non-functional.
Iâll need to create a workout in Training Peaks and see if that gives me the same display of a âStep Averageâ for the interval.
Thank you for clarifying the issue for me.
Thanks all for pointing this out.
Seems TrainerRoad will push the workout to Garmin Edge and use the Lap/Step average as the displayed wattage, in my case of the Edge 530, over the colored bargraph that is for the interval.
If I push the workout from Training Peaks it shows the 3s power over the colored bargraph which is still a range as shown below.
I stumbled across a Garmin IQ app today called:
Training Edge (Complete Workout Display)
created by HowlingMad which may help alleviate some of the hurt. It displays, as shown in the top of the image on the Garmin IQ page:
3s power
bar graph of the interval range (both Trainer Road and Training Peaks put the range in the file even if you only set a singular target in TrainingPeaks)
lap/step power and range
There are other data fields as well such as Cadence, Cadence Avg, Speed, Speed avg, HR, HR Avg, Wâ each for the current (3s?) and lap/step.
I used it when executing Ainslie today (OK, I stink at pictures while pedaling!) and it displayed all I can think I want, I just need to set it up like the display on the Garmin IQ web page which escapes me. Garmin Express doesnât seem to accept any changes after I save the changed settings.
Again, thanks all for contributing to this, as it sorted out a real sore point for me when using TrainerRoad workouts pushed to my Garmin. Unfortunately, Iâd need to recreate all of the TrainerRoad workouts that I want to execute on the Garmin OR, just go back to my old display.
EDITs:
In order for the GarminIQ App to keep the settings I wanted I had to set them in the Garmin Connect App on my mobile. 
To set the display so that I could see the secondary information as shown in the image on the Garmin IQ app page I need to create and edit the workout in Garmin Connect on the web. 
Needless to say, I will NOT(!) be creating any workouts in Garmin Connect nor can you edit any workouts pushed to your Garmin in Garmin Connect; they have to be edited in the host software that created them. Garmin does some things well, the ability to create workouts is not one of their strong suits imho.
The syntax for creating the secondary part of the display is described in the notes on the Garmin IQ webpage.
