Help with Heart / Cardiovascualr Problems, Does anyone else experience this?

Apologies if this has been dealt with here before but I couldn’t find anyone with the same symptoms that I have been experiencing. Before I go into detail I just want to confirm that I am “under investigation” by a doctor and currently waiting for a 72 hour ECG check and a 24 hour urine collection sample. I have been referred to a cardiologist, but in the current UK health system that means I will have an appointment around March / April of 2026 which is far from ideal but that’s really a topic for discussion somewhere ese. I am currently 60 years of age around 20% of body fat and a resting average HR of 45 BPM, and until recently (August 24) had an FTP of 282 bodyweight of 87kg.

I have an adult history of endurance activities, I was in the UK armed forces for 20+ years and played many sports, regularly ran 5+ days a week and have been a lifetime cyclist. From the age of 40 onwards I have been an Ironman triathlon participant, generally finishing in the top 20-25% of my age group depending on my training dedication, for most years until 2020 when covid obviously affected everything.

I first had these symptoms in 2019 when participating in a CXTRI in Patagonia, when on the bike leg I felt what was a double beat of my heart and my heart rate dropped immediately from 120 BPM to 80 BPM. I was immediately breathless as a result and had to stop for 2-3 minutes during which my HR rose back to 100 BPM and I regained my breath. I continued to complete the race albeit in a very poor time and had to walk a large portion of the run leg as I was struggling to raise my HR above 110 BPM. At the time my HR for a run leg would be comfortable in the 125-135 BPM.

I have had various ECG’s, echocardiograms, blood tests for multiple possible problems and all have come back clear, with many compliments on my, good cholesterol, great BMI, strong heat, good BP levels etc etc, yet the issue persists. Over that last five years it has happened with increasing frequency and in every intensity of exercise from short V02 to long endurance sessions. It happens if I am hydrated or dehydrated, it can happen if I have eaten well before and during exercise or if I have a fasted fat burning session, it happens with most exercise formats I take part in (Swim, Bike & Run) but not if I do strength work, probably as my strength work is v low intensity bodyweight only. However it doesn’t always happen and I have gone months without an incident and trained all intensities and distances / times without any concerns

I recently took 8 weeks off structured trg just doing low intensity runs, swim and leisure bike rides, just to settle in my own mind that I didn’t have some form of overtraining syndrome. I returned to trg feeling fresh and lowered my expectations of performance by first letting TR AI estimate my new FTP, which it lowered and then lowered it again myself by 10% down to 236 just to be on the safe side. I have had two weeks of trg found it all easy / moderate on the TR scale and easy RPE on my runs / swims all have been of short duration and well within my capabilities even after 8 weeks of light trg / rest. Unfortunately on a Z1 recovery ride on Friday I had the symptoms again after 16 minutes of light spinning and a HR of 100 BPM, I hadn’t even started sweating.

So the symptoms currently are:

I feel like I have a rush of blood to my head, just after / almost simultaneously my heart feels like it pounds hard once or twice, imagine a bass drum playing a double beat in your chest whilst trying to bounce out of your ribcage.
I then get breathless and have to stop / slow down dependent on the intensity of the activity and it’s form. If running then a walk will be ok, if cycling I have to stop, if swimming I have to quickly flip onto my back and scull/float while I catch my breath (not a popular move in a shared lap lane).
After a minute or two I regain my breath and I can continue the exercise at the intensity it was at pre-incident, but experience has shown that the symptoms will occur again in a few minutes time so I now warm down and stop the exercise.
The day following an incident should I attempt to train, I will have another incident (so knowing that I now do not train the next day) if I don’t train I feel breathless at any activity, walking up some stairs or similar.

Using TR or my garmin watch with a HRM I know that @ roughly the same time as “the rush of blood” and the “double beat” of my heart that I feel, my HRM will record an immediate jump in my heart rate followed by an immediate drop in my heart rate (the breathless stage) followed by a gradual return to a HR that reflects the exercise I was doing prior to the incident. For the rest of that day and for the next few days my blood pressure will be elevated by 20-30% though it then returns to a normal level and I understand it is not a concern for the medic’s who have taken it while investigating the issue.

Following an incident I generally have an easy week and then return to training and can train fine, through all power / HR zones and including longer low intensity swim, bike & swim sessions with no problem for an unspecified period when almost out of the blue an incident will occur again and it’s back to square one.

The current plan is to have the 72 hour ECG and as daft as it sounds as I write this, try to provoke an incident with my cardiovascular system that the ECG can record and hopefully indicate why this is happening.

Below are some screenshots of the Friday TR session during which I had a number of incidents the final incident is marked in these three screenshots showing the HR and the time to illustrate how quickly my HR rises and drops only to rise again during the incident.

I am posting on here simply to see if anyone has had similar symptoms, or if any medically trained members have seen similar symptoms.

Thanks in advance for the thoughts of anyone who thinks they may be able to help.

I hope you can the ECG done sooner than the date when you are seeing the cardiologist.
Another option would be to get a frontier X. https://fourthfrontier.com/products/frontier-x
It works like an heartrate monitor, but also give ECG (and breathing rate).

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Thanks for the suggestion. I have considered one of these but my understanding is that they are not medically accredited so UK healthcare will not readily accept their recordings. Must be honest the cost is prohibitive for me unless they gain medical accreditation.

The X2 is accredited for the US system. Americans can use their HSA or FSA accounts to pay for it. You can always call your Healthcare provider and check with them.

Thanks I never realised the US system had accredited the Frontier, I have spoken to my doctor who had said that it could be used to assess a problem but that the data would still currently be treated as if from a sport recording device and not be considered adequate for diagnosis.

I may invest in one despite this as I can’t help thinking too much info is not possible where heart health is concerned.

I am now investigating private healthcare option in the UK so hopefully I may get a diagnosis in weeks rather than months.

I’m in the UK, not medically trained but suffer with Atrial Fibrillation so have been through the whole diagnostic wait!

It might be you are suffering from some kind of arrhythmia, my first flag was similar in that my HR would shoot up to over 200bpm

I’d suggest pushing for the 72 hour halter (a portable device) and then try and trigger an episode of the issue, noting the time/date and they should be able to find that on your ECG.

One thing you could do is record ECGs yourself at the time of the incidents. The Apple Watch is great for this if you have one, some of the new Garmins have an ECG feature. My cardiologist used these to understand what was going on.

2 other options - a Kardia KardiaMobile 1-Lead Personal ECG Heart Rate Monitor - Record ECGs at Home, Detects Atrial Fibrillation, Trusted by The NHS, Results in 30 Seconds, Works with Most Smartphones : Amazon.co.uk: Health & Personal Care (they do a more expensive 6 lead version) but for 1 lead I think is good enough to show what’s going on.

2nd option (What I use now) is one of these 24-Hour ECG Monitor with AI Analysis, Continuous ECG/EKG Monitoring at Home – Wellue with the AI analysis which was very helpful for me when determining that some drugs I was taking made things worse.

Screenshot from Apple Watch (This shows the irregularly irregular beats over a 30 second period)

and then what the WellUE AI report shows me


THanks for those suggestions some very interesting comments as well. I am currently wearing a 72 hour holter ECG recorder and have had a few incidents whilst wearing it so hoping that will give the doctors some guidance on what is going on.

Thanks for the suggestions I will certainly keep them in mind if this continues after the doctors have reviewed the 72 hour ECG.

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Please update this thread with their findings!

This happens to me sometimes, but I’m much younger. Obviously you have spoken to all the necessary specialists so nothing said on here is going to replace that.

Just keep in mind 2 things

  1. your HRM can malfunction.

  2. your electrolyte levels matter for contractions so using something like SIS tablets in all your bottles even if you need to just break them in half and add other drink mix is probably a good idea. talking about calcium magnesium etc.

Finally, your heart is supposed to be a black box, don’t look inside, don’t probe for mind muscle connection, speak to specialists give them all the tests and data they want and let them worry about it on your behalf.

Performance wise the explanation is that you’re 60 and no amount of stimulus or caffeine is going to let you sit near max HR like these young guns can. Even the best guys 1-2 minutes near max HR they are looking for the door.

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All to be confirmed and I will be having an echocadiogram later this week to do that, but. I managed to see a cardiologist and he believes that I will require a pacemaker.

It seems I have instances where my heart does not beat for 6-8 second periods for a number of beats. It is a form of sinus arrest and is generally known as Sick Sinus Syndrome, or that’s how I understand it from a 40 minute consultation which was all a bit of a whirlwind.

Blood, urine, electrolyte tests, earlier echocardiograms and other tests all suggest the structure of my heart and it’s supplying blood vessels are good but there will be one more echocardiogram to confirm this. Then ii it is confirmed by the echo’ an appointment to have a pacemaker fitted. Lots of Q’s from me about a pacemaker but it seems sensible to hold fire until it is 100% confirmed, the cardiologist was v confident that it would be the treatment I require.

Still trying to get my head around the fact that my 40bpm HR is not a badge of fitness and that despite a lifetime of training I am now going to be a customer of the cardiological ward in my local hospital. However overall I am relieved to get a diagnosis and hopefully have a pathway to a resolution.

I’ve just finished “Haywire Heart” a book all about heart illness and the lifelong athlete. I would recommend reading it, if you have an interest in the matter, and if you’re 40 + you should be, I have seen myself in a number of case studies they mention.

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Just thought I would add an update as I had a biventricular pacemaker fitted on the 18th of December.

This was done after a final EEG showed the function of my heart and it’s supplying blood vessels were within expected levels and the fault in my heart rate was believed to be something called Chronotropic Incompetence. Basically my heart was not reacting to physiological signals to increase, or sometimes maintain, it’s required output rate due to a faulty electrical signal.

I feel a lot better and I’m looking forward to getting back to physical activity in the NY, though it’s looking like a good 6 months of Z2 trg for me this year.

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