The personal benefit I see here for me is just ensuring I get enough protein.
I struggle to get much past like 1g per kg a day…
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a true carnivore diet you only eat animal products, no plant products at all
But does “true carnivore” include dairy or other similar animal products? Eggs, I’ll give ya’, that’s undeveloped flesh, but when I think of “CARNIVORE” I think of T-rex… who wasn’t exactly milking bovines and churning butter.
Either way, being an omnivore species is what has permitted the species to thrive… What you, specifically need to perform your best, is more individual.
Us carnivores aren’t like those crazy vegans that believe they’ll get cancer or a heart attack if they eat the occasional bit of animal foods. We believe that you should eat whatever works for you, for me dairy works for others it doesn’t
Believing red meat wont contribute to cardiovascular disease wont make it so 
. That’s not to say a bit of red meat is the end of the world, but personal belief doesnt really impact chemistry.
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If you want something to help you easily get past 1g per kg I highly recommend a whey protein isolate. Two scoops plus 10-12oz of water and you’ve got 50g. Makes is really easy for me to hit the numbers without having to focus on sources. I shoot for 1.5g per kg but have done 2 for periods of time. I generally don’t have it everyday but on days when I’m not eating a large piece of meat it makes things much easier.
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i’m not a chemist, so can’t comment on the details of that. however, at 52 yrs old and 67kg with all my heart and cardio blood markers being in range, i’m happy enough to take my chances with some extra meat and eggs for a while as an N=1 experiment. when i look around the people in society these days, i would imagine most need to pay so a little closer attention to what they are doing in their diet.
i merely asked here if anyone else had taken such steps and how they found it.
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It’s not red meat per se, it’s the type of red meat and the saturated fat / cholesterol content, and often time preparations and the food it’s paired with (e.g. frying or fried anything is pretty horrible). None of the studies I’ve seen ever differentiate.
Bacon, fatty beef is a heck of a lot different than Elk, Venison, or Bison for example (Which can have higher protein and lower fat/cholesterol than Turkey). Even lean cuts of grass fed beef are way different.
If you are going to have a diet with a lot of meat, just choose your sources and preparations wisely.
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Maybe off topic but seemingly related (at least to me)
Are any of you taking statins?
I have no personal experience but every time I see a doctor everyone seems shocked that I’m not on any medications. I’m 49 and it doesn’t seem weird to me but apparently a lot of people my age are taking at least a statin if not also something to help with other concerns that can be linked to diet and lifestyle choices. To be clear I’m certainly not saying that everyone taking medication can correct with diet and exercise.
I guess I’m just wondering if the concerns about eating foods with a lot of cholesterol isn’t a concern for some of us due to statins.
again, i’m only an observer and avid listener. if the work of Dr robert lustig is correct, cholesterol and its affect on health is about ratios of HDL, LDL and triglycerides, rather than a simple total number. much of cholesterol is genetic and the bad stuff if generated via the liver because of excess fructose consumption and lack of exercise. he says LDL is made up of different forms and this makes simple good or bad, hard for most GP doctors to get to grips with. he often sites processed foods in excess as the bad guy. exercise rights a lot of wrongs though.
i am prescription drug free, i’m grateful to say
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I do know it’s way more complicated than just “eat eggs and cholesterol goes up”, was just curious if the difference in attitudes about it might have a simple explanation.
I also feel great about exercise, obviously, and how it will hopefully help me with feeling pretty good and being active for a few more decades.
There is no evidence whatsoever properly prepared meat causes any harm. I challenge to find 1 peer reviewed article which proofs that it does
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Are you making the claim that red meat is as healthy as chicken breast? That would be a new one…
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In fact I would even go as far as to say that red meat is healthier than eg an apple or pasta (both of which actually have scientifically backed evidence that these cause harm)
That wasnt what I asked…but nevertheless an equally interesting dietary hot take…
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There really isn’t any peer reviewed article that shows the consumption of red meat causes any harm. There are epidemiological associations but correlation does not equal causation, for eg caries who know that carbohydrate consumption is a prerequisite for developing caries. If you don’t, you don’t get caries…
There is a whole lot about human physiology we don’t fully understand, so correlation is generally all we have to go on in most cases. And the correllation between red meat and poor health is pretty strong and well established. As is unprocessed fruit and good health. To claim the opposite take a sogniciant amount of pure faith IMO.
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Epidemiology is a tool to start looking in a certain direction nothing more than that, the correlations are pretty weak too and plagued by all sorts of confounding factors, unlike of course the health problems which eg carbs cause for which we do know how the mechanism works…
@Abe_Froman @BCM The amount of cholesterol you eat doesn’t affect your blood cholesterol levels, or contribute to CVD. [1, 2, 3]
Saturated fats, including butter and beef fat, will follow soon and be removed from concern. Any strong “No, they won’t” feelings would have also applied to cholesterol. We were “100% sure”.
There is a lot of iron in red blood cells. There’s a lot of red blood cells and platelets in scabs. If I have a scab on my knee, concluding I eat too much iron is a level of dead friken stupid that is truly hard to fathom. [I’m referring to the researchers, not you two fine folks, or anyone else in this lovely forum! 
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It’s starting to look like that’s what they did with cholesterol, arterial plaque & CVD. The arterial plaque is made of cholesterol, and stuff that comes from saturated fats, or sort of is similar in structure to it. So don’t eat that stuff. They never looked further than that. Simple! Right?
Your entire blood volume contains only 1 tsp = 4 g sugar. [4] We all know you need to keep that very close, or you can pass out, eventually go into a coma, and die. [Insulin, diabetes, etc.]
When you dump a ton of sugar into your blood, your body has to get it out, not fast, but immediately. It’s starting to look like that is a very violent process through the vascular cell walls, and causes extreme levels of damage & irritation, which then needs to be repaired. Cholesterol and saturated fat patches those holes.
I mean, think about it. A can of coke has 35 g of sugar. When you drink it, your body has to remove 8.75 times the amount of sugar that is in your entire blood volume, as fast as it’s coming in. Which is extremely quick.
Does that sound healthy? Nothing remotely similar to this happens when you eat protein or fat.
If you don’t want scabs on your knees, don’t get road rash on them. Your iron is fine.
If you don’t want arterial plaque, and eventually CVD, don’t shred your vascular walls to swiss cheese with sugar.
Turns out, eating real food, that we evolved eating as our main caloric sources for millions of years, is good for you. Eating mass quantities of sugar, which we rarely saw, is not.
We’re designed to eat protein & fat, in huge lumps, spread out in time, and naturally regulate our blood sugar between.
[And all “carbs” are sugar. They just go in a tiny bit slower. Pure glucose has a glycemic index of 100, baked potato is around 80. That’s hardly “slower”. Bottom line, looking solely at chemical caloric source & metabolism, eating a potato is exactly the same as slowly sipping a can of coke over 20 – 45 mins.]
“But sugar makes you go fast.” Ya, it does. And if my pay cheque, and life, depended on it, I might decide to eat tons of it. Probably not though. Health & life > money.
Humans are the only animal on the planet that people think do not need to eat their natural, millions-of-years-old diet to be healthy. We all think crocodiles should eat gazelle, deer should eat grass, but humans can eat Pizza Pizza and liquid purified glucose and be fine.
The two can not both be correct.
1 - Panel suggests that dietary guidelines stop warning about cholesterol in food - Harvard Health.
2 - Dietary Cholesterol and the Lack of Evidence in Cardiovascular Disease - PubMed.
3 - https://health.gov/sites/default/files/2019-09/2015-2020_Dietary_Guidelines.pdf
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This was a pretty big red flag that you might be a little too into your team and the following posts confirmed.
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I’m still trying to figure out how eating apples is harmful 
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