Sweet Spot Progression

IMO 1x60 is not the same as 3x20 with rest periods, despite 3x20 having more TSS and the same TiZ.

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agreed. not even close.

yes it would!. Can you show a printscreen of the PDC curve with normalized residuals?

I think the KM test was at least 40’, so I think your FTP is lower with a longer TTE. Anyway Coggan said that the modelling of TTE is not really accurate due to the flatness of the curve in that area.

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Sure can! I know there are a few obvious points to tidy up but given that they are inside -5 value, well until about 40 mins, is this starting to give some sort of valuable picture?

I think you have to test 40-60min all out. Thats give you a more realistic TTE. 1 second effort dont change your TTE so much.

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It is clear that you have to do an all-out test somewhere between 40’ and 60’. The precise point should be where the biggest difference is between the modelled curve and the MMP.

I estimate that your mFTP will end up somewhere between 315 and 320 with a higher TTE

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Great, thanks!

I realised that I left running power in those screenshots above.

But I think it is the same conclusion with these cycling only graphs?

Yes test the lowest point in the range 40-60min. And also test the lowest point between 4 en 15min (i think around 7min.

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I think an all-out effort between 5 and 10 minutes (where the dip is, around 7 minutes?) is also necessary, I would think

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Te problem is when you test 7min, the next lowest point will be 8min etc. before you know it, you will ending up chasing normalized residuals…So i think test your 10min all out and lowest point 40-60min and go ahead with that…

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Looks like a good trainingschedule :smile::smile:

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Looking at your chart I’d do a 8-10min all out and a 45-50min all out test and see what happens.

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OK, more max test it is. Thanks for the tips!

This ^ I ways try to test beyond the maximum residual far enough in duration but still bring that max up (the MMP) to the PDC. Sorry struggling to put that into words.

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Exactly what i said before with other words :wink:

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Yes I know, I was going to @ you but got lazy. Tired today… to much sweet-spot (that is a joke, not done any sweet spot since Saturday, but I am tired.)

Don’t make it too hard. If residuals call for a 17 second test, test 20s. If you need a 4:42 second test, do 5:00. Aim for “good enough”, not “perfect.”

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I have never worked out the percentage, but I would say 10% longer on the short effort, 5% on the mid/longer effort 5 - 10 minutes.

Do you think that makes sense?

Take recovery week…go hard when you are tired will never be a good idea :slight_smile:

Good recovery and come back stronger!

I think you might be overthinking it even trying to apply %'s to it.
I look at it more as; if there is a big hole, i need to fill it. Having a perfect model is not the goal, using the model to give you targets for workouts is (amongst other things).
You’ll certainly get to a point of diminishing returns trying to achieve model perfection.

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