Great point and I am that user (to some degree). Perhaps still allowing for the traditional Low/Medium/High plans as a foundation or starting point for users would alleviate that.
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I was just thinking that this is what Garmin does (just upgraded to fenix6) with Body Battery when you try to start an Indoor Bike session, it makes a suggestion based on Body Battery.
This would be really cool incorporated into TR.
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Very cool. Love the possibilities there!
This is next-level.
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The difference is TR can factor it into adaptive training to learn what pushes someone too far or if they can be pushed further. So not reacting to your current state now, but learning how to push you to that state or avoid that state
I get itā¦Iām totally on-baord with them being able to pull Garmin data and use it. I was not trying to imply it was repetitive in some way. I hope they can get that data and incorporate it.
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Yah, this would be cool. Hopefully, it would be reflected in HRV but if not, there are other things we could try.
We pull that data in today and are storing it for people who have Garmin synced.
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I guess this depends on how you do hrv. Depend on third party sources? Oura ring, Woop, Garmin, hrv4trainingā¦
Start measuring hrv in your app during exercise (alpha 1 dfa) but also if you measure it as soon as you pick up the hr strap before even starting a workout you could do:
But thatās more about identifying the intensity of the workout.
But even if you do have a good hrv source, it may still be useful to identify the cause of the change in hrv, exercise, stress, sickness. Some causes would pull longer term fitness down while others would increase it.
Yes, you get it. HRV has mixed research and mixed results.
We plan to validate it against how we think someone will perform. See if it makes our predictions any better.
If it does, weāll add it as a source. if it doesnāt, we wonāt.
So the cool thing is we can validate it before we implement it.
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Guess youāll learn which heart rate straps produce the best data for alpha1. Ok, maybe Iām getting my hopes up youāll add it to the app. Try is in the position of getting enough data to better validate it vs validating other peopleās products.
As to other peopleās products, hope you can use this to try and get the devices to improve. Like certifications in the assumption that the general idea behind the devices is probably valid but if some produce better data it will get the others to improve. For example for alpha 1 the polar h9/h10 is a well known good device to use but would be better to be more general than one brand and get other brands to improve.
Part if the reason Iām thinking of getting a Fenix 7 thatās being released tomorrow. Hope that when you figure out which devices have data that is useful or known to not be useful you can make it public. Though guess youāll have to be careful if there is backlash.
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I like this proposed structure a lot. Duration is one aspect the other Regularity.
Duration:
I prefer doing shorter rides 1-2 hours for endurance type rides, many outside particularly in the drier months. Plus 3 x 1 to 1.5 hour interval rides indoors, all year round.
Regularity.
I seldom do less 3/wk sometimes 6/wk. That is sometimes due to doing other activity, eg, in the summer months it is pleasant to get in some oceans swims. Also as I age I need to do 2-3 sessions of strengthening.
The post adaptive response questions are a good idea, but, with very low intensity endurance workouts, can you answer anything other than āeasyā? And what will the adaptive response with an alternative workout be; it doesnāt make sense to increase its intensity, and if you increase its duration, something else may need to give?
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In the meantime, you could look at the polarized training plans, which do have a longer endurance ride on the Sunday. If prescribed workout is then too short, you can use alternates to swap for one of a longer duration.
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Something that bugged me on the podcast - you kept referring to it variously as ret light/green light, red light/orange light/green light and other combinations of light colours - why not just call it the traffic light system? Seems a bit catchier to me 
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Fantastic ideaā¦ So many threads on here where people have selected a higher volume plan than they need for little apparent reason.
Allowing people to select their intensity days (2 or 3 or whatever) and top up with lower intensity stuff would be great too as you see a lot of threads on here (really a lotā¦) where people have selected MV/HV and then want fewer intensity days - as advised on the podcast many times theyād be better served by taking an LV plan and topping up (even swapping the longer weekend ride to outdoors), but the way the app / plan builder is currently structured you just donāt get that advice.
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Itās been a few days since i listened, but think there were actually two different light systems being discussed which confused me at first. I think it was something like:
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Red light / Green light for ideas. āShould we or should we not spend time and money on feature X?ā
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Red / Amber / Green around the system giving you appropriate workouts on any given day
Yeah, I listened to it last night and there was a long discussion about option 2 where it was called various things in various combinations.
I was being facetious really, but it seemed obvious to me just to call it a traffic light system as thatās what Iād have done straight away if I was in that conversation - itās less clunky. Or a RAG system (thatās what we call it for action proritisation). Maybe traffic light is a UK term or something?
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No, we yanks call it that too. I agree with you, btw. I was just saying it was also confusing when going between the two systems. Using Nateās example, I guess you could call one Squid system and one Traffic Light 
Nate, the new features you spoke about on the podcast and here sound like great additions, particularly like the idea of the plan adjusting based on workload, HRV score etc. and the ability for volume to be more tailored.
If you want some extra data to validate HRV against, then I have recorded HRV, RHR and sleep data into all my workout notes in TR for the last two years - feel free to have someone trawl through if of any use.
Day to day I donāt find much correlation, but week to week it can be a reasonable guide of how fatigued / stressed I am overall and whether I need to back things off a bit or can pick things up.
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Because code names should be fun 
. Itās from the red light green light game in Squid Game.
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