if, (finally), you allow to export the workouts, from TR workout generator, I will give it a thought, otherwise, (as was already in my thoughts), I will return, for the next season, to XERT. You asked and I gave my modest opinion. In any case you are doing and I’m sure you will do a good job, there is no doubt about that. All the best. C.
that would be a game changer
Didn’t want to post as don’t want to come across as a TR basher, but feel need to make my case
Over the last 15(???) years, I’ve used TR solidly for seasons. but in recent years I’ve been drifting away, over the last year I’ve had great success doing the following
- Increasing hours a week, simply by thinking how long can I ride, rather than can I fit a hours workout in, and if I have a 2 hours, not making it a 2 hour V02 session, rather do my session and carry on riding zone 2
- Worrying about time in zone rather than increasing intensity
- Dismissing the idea of Failed workout, If I can’t finish … just spend the rest of the allocsted time in zone 2
- Using Zwift Pace partners for intervals sessions, start my theshhold swap to a pace partnet, end the interval swap back, all my zone 2 indoors is done with Coco … and now Yumi
- Testing my FTP once a month, two intervals per week
So this training has been going well (highest ever FTP at the age of 54) but contradicts TR plans and thinking, over the last month has gone a bit off the rails (or so it felt, but FTP doesn’t agree) so I’ve decided that I would use TR progression levels to validate my workouts and training, and this has been a great help
So for the above Training, the lack of WLV2 is a big “fail”, I’m using the WLV1 to score my workouts (I am aware of the trouble with this) and I’m not using the plans
So happy to use TR for what I am already using it for, but it’s already to expensive to leave on the “it’s only a cup of coffee” and I will probably use it about once every 6 months
I think somebody else ^^^^^ said that for experianced users,it’s lost it’s appeal, and for the above reasons I thinkj this is the case for me, the price increase just solidifies my thinking, although TR is a great product, I don’t think it has enough features that match the way that training is working for me, to justify the current price
Anyway, just trying to give feedback on TR pricing, but also I feel the workout player is a bit dated (PC version)
Yeah no shit. But those features we’re already built with current staff and revenue
The annual rate stepping over the $200 marker means I would not subscribe for a year. I would always take outdoors over indoors so just wouldn’t get the value for money with no adaptions for outside riding.
Can I afford $200? Yes definitely but in comparison to competitors I feel its not really justified. I am currently on a 45 euro annual join subscription and at that price point I feel like it is incredible value and more suited to a volume / outdoors type of rider like myself.
I will definitely use TR during the winter for maybe 2 / 3 months as I still think it is far and away the best product for indoor training and sometimes miss the blue bars 
. Also the support staff are fantastic with queries and advice.
I’m a little flummoxed by another proposed price increase so close to the previous one. I let my legacy pricing go, assuming apparently poorly, that it would be a while until we saw another price hike. $2/mo isn’t a deal breaker or anything. Inflation has hit everything (except my salary 
). Was it unrealistic planning/forecasting that led to need for another price hikes so soon?
But I’m skeptical of the apparent argument that “new features have been delivered since last time justifying an increase”. Maybe I’m old fashioned, but I always thought the whole point of a subscription software model is to fund not only the operational resources my direct usage causes, but also to fund new features. At least in 2023 part of the argument was to specifically to grow the feature-development part of the company. Ie, to deliver planned features faster (or focus on more in parallel, I guess). I could get behind that.
So, on a whim I pulled up the 2023 price increase justification feature matrix and merged it with the new one (comparing 2024 with a somewhat arbitrary 2019). So in the last 1.5 years we have: RLGL, run sync/analysis, and new plans (masters, regular, and triathlon).
The tri plan and run stuff is probably highly related, and has been “in-the-works” for a long long time and certainly required much dev work, so I’m happy for tri-people that they finally got something there. Masters plans and regular plan rework are cool, but mostly content work. RLGL is kinda neat and unexpected, but I wouldn’t say it’s changed much for me.
I dunno, I guess I’m a little underwhelmed. The core functions continue to work well… ie, the “workout player”. The new stuff just seems like exactly the things you should be working on, but I don’t feel like the pace has improved any.
You have missed “Under the hood improvements” of your chart, according to the release notes there have been a lot of changes in this area
I generally agree with this. Last time around, it came across as “we want to add all these features, so we are needing to increase the price to fund it” and now it’s “we added all those features so we are increasing the price because value was added”. Seems like double dipping on the reasoning here.
Here’s the state of that. WLV2 is used in some ML analysis in AI FTP Detection. It’s in a state that improves the accuracy of AI FTP Detection but isn’t at the level where it’s close enough to change what your next workout is.
Right now the roadmap for features is → RLGL in Plan Builder (volume recommendation), WLV2 on TR workouts, WLV2 on outside workouts.
We have prototypes of both RLGL plan builder and WLV2 on TR workouts. We’re doing TR workouts first because there are less variables and it let’s us validate WLV2 on a larger scale.
I believe you’ll renew at 189, then the next one will be 209.99 in july 2025. That’s just based on timing when this will probably happen.
I don’t think we’ll explain it. The whole system is complex and it will constantly be updated. Anything we say will get outdated.
It can also lead to misinformation on the forum.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. We’re going to move forward with this. We’ll send out notices over the new few days in batches.
There is something to be explored of in-app or other add ons. Besides the obvious pay for watts, I’d pay a few for a human review….
I wonder what else could be a spot buy
Thanks for updates.
Missed hammerhead, wahoo, and Apple Watch
That’s totally fair, thanks for the response.
Price is what you pay for something. Value is what you get out of it. I think this is a fair increase. I get great value from TR. Period.
Go ahead! Thanks for asking! You can increase another $2 in June 2029 if you want! 
Having an advertisement-free podcast is a HUGE part of that value for me. The podcast itself is very well done - - quality product/service.
Not sure if it’s been mentioned previously and looks like the changes are going to happen anyway but have you ever considered a tiered membership? I only use Trainerroad as something to control the trainer. None of the mentioned features have added any real value for me personally in the last 5 years. I’ve looked at the new features as they’ve been released but it’s just not what I want/need from the software and I don’t see anything coming that would change that.
I’d be interested in a basic legacy plan that gives access to a basic workout library or even just workout creator alongside the calendar with none of the extras. I’ve always held on to legacy pricing for this reason but sounds like that might be coming to an end and I could probably achieve the same functionality I require with my Garmin head unit for free.