W/kg vs System Weight

I have been reading a few threads on the TR forum about W/kg and FTP, but what I am curious about is how often as riders we actually take in to account our system weight as a total before we head out the door for our 60mile loop?

I am beginning to feel the indoor measurement at the top of my career page of weight, ftp and W/kg is just that, an indoor measurement. Something that is constantly fluctuating almost daily.

For example I might be 80kg first thing in the morning before an indoor session but buy the time I am heading out the door on Sunday I might be 82kg plus and with my fully laden bike that might equal a total system weight of 92kg.

Is power absolute when taking total system weight in to consideration? I feel that riding outdoors is just as important in that sense because it feels like a completely different stimulus.

Interested to hear thoughts, comments and criticisms.

Are you counting your bike with those extra 10kg’s?

When I go out on my long distance rides, depending on season, I carry:

1 multitool with tire levers attached
2 CO2 cartridges
1 small pump with CO2-connection
2 meal bars
Phone
Wallet
Spare tube
Water bottle

All in all a weight of approx. 1kg extra. Shoes and clothing an extra 0,5-1kg depending on season.

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I would be asking when is each relevant?

Indoor W/kg - Trainerroad
Outdoor TOTAL W/kg - Possibly race prep/strategy using Best Bike Split?
Outdoor simple W/kg - Bragging rights :smile:

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I imagine that w/kg in the professional world is most useful in Grand Tour climbing stages - where Sky or Astana can set a tempo, knowing that everyone’s clothes, bikes, bottles etc weigh pretty much the same across the peloton. So the DS can just shout for them to up it to 6w/kg when they want to put the hurt on.

It’s just a number to isolate a trend which verifies training. You want to verify what you’re doing is working (physiologically) so that you can stay with the lead group or get that KOM or simply achieve a certain VAM etc…

For most it’s easier and more reliably consistent to measure W/Kg w/o the bike. If you want to calculate W/Kg with the bike and clothes just do it with exactly the same bike and clothes every time. All that really matters is consistency.

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This is a very good point, in terms of tracking a physiological trend.

What is your view on the importance on being consistent with some form of outdoor riding because I feel my body aches in a different way after 2hrs outdoors vs sat on the trainer?

Is my body being stimulated in a very different way?

In my opinion yes. Depending on what trainer is used I think there are three key differences between riding on a trainer and outdoors:

  • When muscles engage and how long they stay engaged. Depends on inertia…
  • Increased muscular endurance on a trainer due to no micro breaks.
  • Reduced upper body contribution.

Obviously some riding outside is important if you compete. From sprinting, group skills to mountain/cx bike skills which are all but impossible to replicate inside. Also, just to keep sanity and have fun (for me) riding outside is a must. But, I live in an area that is mild so it’s easy. If I lived in Michigan right now I doubt I’d worry too much about getting outside and focus on the trainer. When the weather turns in the spring then I’d be outside for sure.

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Not sure what you mean, my forecast looks fine today :neutral_face:

…WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM THIS MORNING TO 10 PM EST THIS EVENING

  • WHAT…Snow and sleet changing to light freezing rain. Light snow and sleet develops after 9 AM, increases in intensity by 11 AM, and then transitions to light freezing rain or freezing drizzle by early afternoon. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 inch or less.

Scattered moderate intensity freezing rain showers are possible after 3 PM. Total ice accretion is forecast to be a tenth of an inch or less with localized periods of sleet.

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I like numbers :slight_smile:

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