Write down changes you want to the outside workout experience here. 👇👇👇

I had a thread about how we will automatically sync workouts to all of your connected training platforms, and some people asked for changes to doing workouts on Garmin/Wahoo.

Can people write down what they’d like in this thread or say what issues they have? That will help us collect them and prioritize them.

The timing to get them done would be early spring.

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Simplicity of workouts, simple steady intervals, no x+1% x-1% intervals but also all sets being same. No stepped ramps but easy z2. Warmup and cooldown need to be equal length.

And the flexibility to do work intervals a little bit later (or earlier) (more a workout level 2 sort of thing)

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Most of the time, I’d like a shorter-term power report than the full lap interval. Maybe 10-second power? If I have a surprise downhill section in the middle of a long threshold interval or something, the shorter averaging would make it a lot easier to make sure I got back on track correctly.

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Deleted. I see this will be addressed by another upgrade :+1:t3:

Exactly what I would like as well.

This.

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Regarding Garmins showing lap average instead of 3s average on the default workout data screen…

This is down to the “target type” TrainerRoad have chosen for the Garmin export.

Trainerroad have chosen the “TARGET_TYPE” to be "POWER_LAP” but I think it would be better if they chose “POWER_3s” instead.

This has no affect at all on how the power is recorded or prescribed - just how it is compared to the target.

I do admit this is a matter of opinion.

However, I would argue that the 3s “TARGET_TYPE” would be more useful to more people and is more in-line with the ethos of completing intervals that TrainerRoad promote in their literature and on the Podcast - which has always been to stay as close to the target power as you can throughout the length of an interval and not chase the average.

My assumption is that this has ended up this way because Garmin’s documentation explaining what “target_type” actually does is terrible and the guys and gals at TR didn’t realise what the impact would be…

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I’d prefer workouts on Wahoo Headunits to display an exact power target instead of a range.

Its easier to read on the Wahoo unit with a single number. Displaying a range makes the numbers very small. My headunit defintely doesn’t beap at me if I’m on/off target wattage. I’d have to double check if that’s a setting I’ve changed, but I don’t think it is. It does have the lights on the side of the unit that change color when you’re on/off target.

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Very much not so!

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This is one of the reasons why I use intervals.icu workout creator and not choosing workouts from TR library even if I am TR user. This plus more descriptive naming schema like Z2/180, SS/4x20, etc.

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Yes, agreed - I’m always trying to ride to the top of the range (or above) rather than the middle. I don’t always manage that but I do try :slight_smile:

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IIRC, when outdoor workouts were first released they didn’t always match the indoor workout. Usually they were a little longer but that affected the intervals too. There was an uproar on the forum so TR quickly moved to an exact workout match.

I do agree with you though!

For me, it would be great too have the option to do the exact version of the TR indoor workout from my garmin head unit on my indoor trainer instead of the outdoor version of the workout.

Also +1 for 3s power target type.

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Ooh disagree. I like that over my garmin which loves to alert I’m low even though it’s by 1 watt :joy:

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I do 90% of my rides outside and I’ll say my only request is to have the warmup broken up.
I don’t like 154-290 for 15 mins wouldn’t mind seeing 5 mins at 154. 5 mins at 220 or whatever and so on.

But that’s me. I tend to ride easy for that time.

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If I don’t have my power meter on one of my bikes I.e my cross bike, I’d like to have a way of either seeing what RPE I should be doing or (preferably, although I know the cons of this) having a HR option instead. % of max HR for X minutes. It’s not perfect but I’d like/use It.

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Half agree…

Unfortunately I think there will be 2 camps of people here - people who want the workouts to be identical to the workout they would do on the native player and others who want the workouts to be modified so that they make more sense on the target player.

Personally I think there might need to be a toggle in the settings somewhere:

Send Exact Workout = Workout is always EXACTY the same - warts and all
Send Optimised Workout = Problematic workouts are identified and have a pre-selected alternative workout sent in its place.

Would require a bit of work by TR developers to set up but I think it would be worth it to please everyone.

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Making sure workouts have the “press lap to proceed” before next set, this makes sure you can be in the correct spot on a road vs having it jump straight into the next set at an inconvenient location.

Most of the outdoor workouts have this but others randomly don’t and it throws me off when it jumps into the next set not being used to it

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Outdoors those somewhat complicated workouts does not make much sense. Lets take Cotorra as example:

  • seeing word Cotorra in workout name means nothing (except to Spanish speakers or ornithologists or TR users who like this particular workout very much)
  • describing this workout in compact way: “SS93/18 + SS94/19 + SS93/18 + SS94/19” is not so compact after all and body knows no difference anyway
  • but doing “SS94/4x18” or “SS93/4x19” or “SS/4x20” is compact, self-descriptive and can be executed with nothing but RPE+timer and for body it is all the same.
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Totally agree - I assume they are like that to add variation for people running ERG - but totally unneccessary for outdoors.

Also, not ideal for Zwift workouts having arches every couple of meters!

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