A month or two ago I tried manually overriding HIE and threshold, and that didn’t help. Didn’t ask for help, the point is that for the type of riding I’m doing the model has trouble fitting my ‘sort of a sprinter’ power profile. It was definitely better on No Decay
re: routine breakthrough efforts. I don’t see an easy way to list only breakthroughs and nears, but yes, the first 3 pages (10 per page) I can see 2+ breakthroughs/nears per page of 10 workouts.
The scrolling map/GoogleMap/workout enhancement is really nice, like this one:
From July trip to San Luis Obispo on the Central Coast. Another way too low TP estimate. From scrolling thru the Dashboard it looks like I changed from No Decay to Optimal in mid May.
I’ll shoot support an email and ask them to help adjust the model and dial decay down to no or low.
I understand you don’t see value in planning out your training far in advance, but for those of us that need this to best facilitate training can it adequately differentiate between Base or “Build” (whatever they may call it).
I can’t imagine using TrainNow year round myself, though I absolutely see the value for those who need/flourish under that flexibility.
The interesting thing here (which I’m sure the Xert team is aware of) is that when TR is eventually able to analyse outdoor rides for adaptive training planning, Xert will still be one step ahead because their adaptive training can actually recommend outdoor rides.
Are you sure its actual? Xert has a modeled power curve.
How far back in time does Peak Power go? Because peak power is higher than any 1-sec power this year. If I look at actual power in the last 90 days, Xert PP is +40W versus what I’ve actually done.
Xert help says sometimes its referred to as Pmax. The WKO 90-day Pmax
is 1198W, the actual is 1178W, and Xert has it at 1218W (+40W vs actual).
This year Xert power curve fitting has consistently overestimated HIE, which leads to consistently underestimating threshold power. I posted something about it months ago, in a forum exchange with @redlude97
The Xert modeled power duration curve is +160W at 15-seconds, not even close. Of course that’s also going to make HIE overestimated.
I do see something I’ve not noticed before - a power curve calculator where I can enter recent power bests and let Xert calculate fitness signature from that (and presumably recalculate modeled power curve).
It is possible to get an evaluated peak power that’s higher than your max power output. If the system sees that you performed your max power while fatigued you’ll can end up with a higher peak power evaluated.
Peak power and power outputs under a minute or so are tricky to perform since reaching the highest power possible depends so much on the terrain, gear choice, acceleration, gear changes, standing/sitting. Ideally, using a trough into a hilll is often best as is avoids needing to change gears and you can better push out your best power.
Lastly check for outliers in your data. They should be removed or corrected. Ask for help if you’re unclear how your Peak Power and HIE have been evaluated. We can look into it.
It changes your focus but don’t see any way of it blocks that include rest.
What if I want to know what I’m doing the next two weeks? Don’t need the details but do want to know what days are hard, what are easy, how much time should I allocate on a certain day? What if I don’t have very large amounts of time to spend on the trainer?
In previous years when I did more cycling and less hiking when I asked for a workout it gave me a 3 hour trainer ride. Even if I set the improvement rate to “slow” it wants me to spend 11 hours a week on the trainer which is closer to high volume tr plan. My ftp is under 2.5w/kg, I know I’m slow, I’m sure I don’t need that many hours to improve at greater then slow rate.
I never heard of this platform until now. I signed up and there are a few quality of life features that could use some improvements that is preventing me from continuing with the product.
Workouts automatically start, thought it would at least wait for you to start pedaling like TR.
Auto mode, not sure what that is but it feels clunky. I think it changes resistance during some intervals?
Too many moving parts when starting a workout. You have to select a workout on the site then open up the app on your phone to begin the workout.
I know that these may sound minor, but convenience is a really big selling point in keeping an active user base.
Things that it does well.
Rider phenotypes and a suggesting workouts that tailor to that phenotype is a great idea.
Their algorithms are another thing that sets them apart.
Outdoor rides are implanting into your ride stats in a novel way.
Thank you @mtdrinan for bringing this platform up, it’s good to see what similar products are out there.
Xert doesn’t tell to have the day off. You are in charge, but Xert gives you the info that you need. In the pic below you can see that I’m ahead of my training in the Training pacer (it should be 12 o’clock). It tells me that tomorrow my status is tired (yellow triangle). And the text states that i have a surplus and 2 days of the bike if I want.
XATA will know what you usually do on a given day of the week and recommend based on that. In 2 weeks time you see your status as per above, and based on your time constrains, mood, fatigue… whatever, you filter the best workout for you on that day. If you are having a bad week… you can catch-up next week. You can always use the planner to test scenarios were you can play with workouts or past activities to see were you will be.
You do what you can do and Xert will start to recomend better.
The most important aspect is that you have to have a valid signature.
Peak power is estimated as all the other metrics. Because you have 3 parameters in your signature the deviation becomes less important as it works as an average.
I do not recommend playing with your signature unless you know what you are doing.
I advise anyone to have a good signature and play a smart 5x5. You will get it then.
I don’t think that a few seconds will make any difference, but anyways Xert is not giving credit for the theoretical workout that should have been done. Its actually the pedal strokes that matters. You can have a 5h activity and peddle just 1h. It doesn’t matter.
For the good and bad, Xert is not like any other platform. What you are used to, does not apply most of the time. Freedom comes to my mind…
I would really like some of the XERT users to fill me in as to if this application would work for my goals.
Basically I know what races I want to do through the year or I plan them in January. I dont care about a year out plan because sometimes I just like going outside and riding however I want or I jump into a group ride or go MTB etc etc.
Every single bike I own can capture Power, hr and cadence - will xert allow me to input my yearly race or goals and then adjust the day by day training based on what I have done to work towards peak or optimal fitness in that area/timeframe?
I like structured training, I also like doing whatever I want and if the system can determine that I did some really hard efforts and its most beneficial for me to relax or say what would be most beneficial for me on the day.
My typical workout schedule is random - I like to ride every day so its something like
Monday - 30-45 Min endurance on trainer
Tuesday - 1hr interval
Wed - 30-45 min recover/endurance trainer
Thursday - Worlds or all out MTB ride
Friday - off or 30-45 min trainer
Saturday - 2hr MTB ride
Sunday - 1-2 hr road/gravel ride
I have as mentioned never seen xert and am trying to get up to speed with it. The MPA is really interesting to me. I would be more opt to ride trainer if it recommends and controls rides etc.
TR peeps are amzing and I do not want to abuse their good will and openness. So I will be succinct and recommend you to head to the appropriate forum.
This is Xert strong point - flexibility. You can schedule and event up to 120 before and you will be doing base/built/specially/taper week. You choose what part of your power curve you want to prime (rider type). Outside rides count.
Yes, but remember that Xert doesn’t do miracles. You still need to follow a plan. If you are always going against advice (xert will cater for that) you didn’t really follow a plan.
As per above. Every day or every time after you upload an activity the advice will be updated to stear you towards your goals.
Use the filter function, and xert will recommend the best workout based on your constraints.
In my experience, importing 3 month data before your first use won’t do the trick. Do that and go for a breakthrough and a couple of week later try another breakthrough. Xert model needs maximal efforts. Then you are set… once you know were all the knobs are
This is very helpful, I want to stress that I joined TR in 2018 - and although I am talking Xert now does not mean I am killing my TR subscription at all.
I think that TR needs to listen to these talks and see what users are saying and what they are missing out or have an advantage over or even why some of the customer base is moving on or considering.
I think that TR might want to consider a system like Xert for people who do have the equipment to be analyzed every time they ride and then AI predicts/helps.
The thread Here is talking a lot of “xert” like modifications that Ivy is discussing.
I think the TR forum is a great place to lay it out and say this is x, y, z and that’s why I like it and then reaction or updates can be theorized from that.
That’s my thought, your not ever on top but consistently fighting for it.
aha, found one:
