2024 Kona Discussion Thread

It’s Kona week! We aren’t there this year, but the hype is still strong.

If you’re racing, congratulations! And if you used TrainerRoad, let us know so we can all follow you and cheer from afar :slight_smile: .

Weather and course are normal, but the pro field is super intriguing. Kristian seems to be on the right track, Gustav is on his way back (maybe better than we think?), and Laidlow and Magnus seem to be in good form. Tons of other players too.

Who’s gonna win?

  • Magnus Ditlev
  • Sam Laidlow
  • Rudy Von Berg
  • Lionel Sanders
  • Leon Chevalier
  • Gustav Iden
  • Kristian Blummenfelt
  • Patrick Lange
  • Arthur Horseau
  • Clément Mignon
  • Antonio Benito López
  • Other
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Kristian and Gustav’s positions are wild and I have no clue how they are going to hold those positions for 112mi, let alone run a marathon after, but there’s no question that group does their homework.

What’s up with their positions?

  • It’s just elite level trolling
  • They’ll be faster on the bike, but they’ll pay for it on the run
  • It is too hard to hold at high power, so they’ll be slower on the bike
  • It’s going to make them faster across the board
  • Other
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A lot of athletes will have contractual incentives to get fastest splits. Who will have the fastest splits?

Swim

  • Magnus Ditlev
  • Sam Laidlow
  • Rudy Von Berg
  • Daniel Baekkegard
  • Leon Chevalier
  • Gustav Iden
  • Kristian Blummenfelt
  • Patrick Lange
  • Clément Mignon
  • David McNamee
  • Gregory Barnaby
  • Menno Koolhaas
  • Kacper Stepniak
  • Ben Kanute
  • Other
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Bike

  • Magnus Ditlev
  • Sam Laidlow
  • Rudy Von Berg
  • Lionel Sanders
  • Leon Chevalier
  • Gustav Iden
  • Kristian Blummenfelt
  • Patrick Lange
  • Trevor Foley
  • Clément Mignon
  • Peter Heemeryck
  • Matthew Marquardt
  • Kristian Hogenhaug
  • Robert Kallin
  • Other
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Run

  • Magnus Ditlev
  • Sam Laidlow
  • Lionel Sanders
  • Leon Chevalier
  • Gustav Iden
  • Kristian Blummenfelt
  • Patrick Lange
  • Peter Heemeryck
  • Daniel Baekkegard
  • Trevor Foley
  • David McNamee
  • Menno Koolhaas
  • Matt Hanson
  • Antonio Benito López
  • Other
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And most importantly, what will Lionel’s race day look like (this YouTube series is giving me anxiety, lol)?

Lionel’s day will go like…

  • Strong but conservative bike, incredible run!
  • Insane bike, incredible run!
  • Insane bike, explosion on the run :frowning:
  • I don’t know, but I’m here for the entertainment!
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You left out an important question:
Which athlete will win the Tour De France in 2 or 3 years? :wink:

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And the answer to this is clearly Lionel Sanders.

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Cant given a answer from the selections for Lionel because the option isnt there.

Wouldn’t be an insane bike or run. Good bike, run either okay or walking.

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Well definitely not blummenfelt as he’s pulled out of road riding in the pro tour. Personally i dont think he’d have cut the mustard on the world tour level.

I can’t believe you’ve missed out Cameron Wurf. The guys an amazing world tour cyclist and can swim and run.

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It feels bad to bet against French triathlon when they are Laidlow from Olympic disappointment, but another athlete Blu away the field at Frankfurt and it won’t be Lange before we see him atop the podium.

(Takes a bow)

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This is a dad masterpiece :clap:

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I should have had Cam on the fastest bike split poll for sure. Do you think he has a chance at fastest swim, run, or overall though?

Anybody else catch where Magnus said he is taking in 180g of carbs per hour on the bike? :flushed:

Also, the surf report looks good too. Decent swell, but at least not too choppy.

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Oh hell no. :wink:

But I do wanna see him just rip the legs off everyone on the bike and see what carnage he can cause on the run as a result. :crazy_face:

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I’m pretty sure I could handle 180g/hour if I could figure out how to carry it all. I had great success with 120g. At least, I had no stomach issues or electrolyte issues that I noticed. That was on Saturday nutrition app’s “SpeedNectar” (literal table sugar and table salt, with lime/lemon juice for flavor), too. I can imagine there’s some sort of special sauce he and his team could have access to that could push it even further.

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The carb craze hit well after I got out of tri and went back to just the bike, but isn’t the strategy here to load up on more fuel on the bike in order to minimize the amount you need to take in on the run (and avoid stomach issues)?

In that case, 180g / hour for a a little over 4 hours in a ~9 hour day doesn’t seem too crazy.

Less than 8hrs these days. Problem is still the balance between under and overeating on the bike for either a bonk or nausea on the run.

Blu displayed mastery of handling when it goes wrong at both ends at Frankfurt this year. I won’t link to the clips for everyone’s sakes, but he still won convincingly.

180g seems yuge. Is that every hour, so 4x? He’s not a small guy but still.

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Yeah, fat thumbed that and missed it before I hit “post”… :man_shrugging:t2:

That was my assumption too, but Dr. Pfaffenbach pretty well debunked that theory in this podcast recently.

Essentially, energy consumed on the bike will not be stored, and high intake rates are likely to elevate blood sugar to functional levels well before needing to go to +120. All of that said, Dr. Pfaffenbach could be wrong on that, but he is in the trenches with athletes and also in the lab, so I do trust his perspective.

However, we often see examples of the best athletes leading scientific deiscovery, and perhaps this is an example of it?

Yep! That’s taking in ~2,900 calories in sugar during the bike leg. Wild!

Rumors have his FTP around 485, so I wouldn’t be surprised if his bike power is between 375-390, and that puts his calorie burn around 5,200-5,600 calories for the mechanical work alone on the bike leg. The metabolic work required to do that in those conditions means he’s likely burning a not insignificant amount of additional calories.

So just from a pure energy balance perspective, 180g/hr seems completely insufficient. It’s just insane to consider!

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Wild…almost beyond my comprehension.

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Anyone planning to watch IMWC Kona on Saturday?

I’m planning a long session on the trainer…and a lot of food/beer.

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I’ll definitely watch some of it….have a buddy who is there and I’ll be tracking him, as well. He got hit by a car 2 years ago and was in really bad shape. Multiple broken bones, surgeries, etc.

A year later he both KQ’d and BQ’d and just KQ’d again last month at Madison. Hope he tears Kona up….amazing recovery.

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