Has anyone used TrainerRoad to successfully complete the Peaks Challenge in Australia?

Hi, I am planning to do the Peaks Challenge in Falls Creek Australia in March next year. It’s a Gran Fondo with a distance of 235km and over 4000m of elevation. I can see that TrainerRoad allows you to build a training program for something like that but I am wondering if any users have actually used the app to train for and successfully complete this event?

There are various training plans out there for the Peaks Challenge. The most well known is perhaps by Dr Stephen Lane - a 16 week program with a minimum 10 hours of training a week.

The TrainerRoad app, using Masters adaptive training plan, does not generate anything close to 10 hours a week, which is interesting. What the app seems to do is recommend a training plan based on how many hours you’ve been training in the past six weeks rather than the distance and elevation of the target event. Since I’ve been training 5 hours a week for the last six weeks, the app recommends the low volume plan for me, which suggests 3.5 hours a week, which does not seem enough compared to Dr Lane’s plan of 10 hours a week.

Any advice?

Back in 2019 i was on Trainerroad but used Dr Lane’s program to prepare. I couldn’t see any benefits in trying to use TR over the specificity of his plan.

I felt very well prepared for the day.

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Hey Azhar!

We’ve had a number of athletes prepare for this event and similar events using TrainerRoad!

Many of these athletes have done so following Low Volume Training Plans. As an example, check out this episode of the Successful Athlete’s podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoAkd6u9KZI

The athlete interviewed in this podcast episode, Doug Moore, followed a Low Volume Training Plan to prepare for a multi-day 415 mile event.

The TrainerRoad Training Plans train energy systems, as opposed to focusing on the specific numbers that describe your event. Simply put, if you strengthen the specific energy systems, you will be faster and better prepared to cover distance.

The optimal training volume depends on your starting point. If you’ve been training 5 hours a week, this is where you should start. If you feel able to handle more volume and have the time, you can try a Mid Volume Plan.

We use the principle of Progressive Overload to gradually develop and strengthen those energy systems, so that you are as prepared as you possiby can be on race day. Red Light Green Light and Adaptive Training ensure that you progress at a a rate that is optimal for you so that you arrive at the start line fit & not burnt out.

If you have specific questions or concerns about your specific Training Plan, please let us know! :slight_smile: .

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Thanks PWeber and Sarah. I will try ramping up from low to mid now. I’ve been training on TR for the last three months for two Gran Fondos in mid Sept and Oct. It will be interesting to see how I go on the actual events after training on the Masters low volume program (with a bit of mid thrown in perhaps). Then I can think about Peaks!

Hi,
I have done peaks on a medium volume plan and also high volume plan.

Certainly can be done.

Thanks Gary. That’s good to know. Did you do long outdoor training rides and outdoor climbs in addition to the plan, or did you just rely on the TR plan? What kind of training would you advise?

I completed both years in a similar time but over 9hrs.
First year I did medium volume plan and did a long outdoor ride once a week and most of the easy rides out doors.

Second time around I did just the HV plan and no outdoor rides.

The HV plan was slightly faster but made the day a lot less enjoyable.

I would either do the MV plan way or follow the tried and tested Dr Lane plans.

No knowing your specifics it is hard to say which way will be best for you.

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Thanks, very helpful. My background - 56 year old, got into road cycling early this year, been on TR since April to train for Amy Gran Fondo and Around the Bay in Melbourne in Sep/Oct. My FTP at the moment is 204, 2.63 w/kg, weight 77kg.

Knowing that-I would suggest a program that gets in plenty of long out door rides. At the least to get a feeling of the long day in the saddle.

What ever you decide consistency is the key.

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Join.cc has a program for Peaks Challenge. I used it for the marmotte this year. It pushed me from 5-6h/wk in september 2023 to around 13-15h/wk from March to June this year in preparation for the marmotte (177km 5k climbing)

Edit: I see Join.cc rates it level 31-41 compared to marmotte only 28-38. That’s going to be a pretty though event

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Hi, yes, I’ve seen the Join.cc program for Peaks. Depending on a person’s time availability, it certainly pushes out weekly training to 13-15h/wk as you say. I could do the same with TR though, just by switching to mid-volume and increasing the duration for some rides. TR has more data and a better user interface but Join.cc looks simpler and is cheaper.

I did peaks with TR mid Volume ( sub 10 on my 2nd attempt >50yrs old ), I looked at Steven Lane’s program but it did not seem practical for me. I did ensure I spent lots of time climbing and descending all local hills and mountains.
I made the mistake 1st time of picking the TR climbing road race but the endurance of the Fondo is better.
Of course, it depends, What time are you targeting? Do you have steep hills to train on?
Good Luck, I hope you have good weather, and if not adjust your expectations.

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Hi Andrew, thanks for your message. How did you keep tabs on your nutrition while training?

Re time: I’d just be happy to finish strong. All I want from training is to develop strength and fitness so I’m not falling apart at the end. Less time in the saddle will be a bonus.

I’m not keen on doing 10-15 hr weekly training for sixteen weeks as per Dr Lane’s program. This post is starting to give me confidence that Peaks can be done with TR with a weekly long hard outdoor ride thrown in. There are a few steep long rides a bit outside Melbourne - Kinglake, Dandenongs and Arthurs Peak.

I did the inaugural 3 Peaks back in 2010. (The one where they made people sign waivers at Dinner Plan because the storms were so bad, they had to pull ambulance and sagwagon support beyond that).

I was also a Trainerroad user back in those days, but it wasn’t what it is today and had to “wing it” a little.

I wish I knew then what I know now (and what the broader cycling community knows now) about how to train.

SO, a dissenting voice here: if you “only” got into cycling early this year, I would strongly suggest not setting Peaks Challenge as a goal for 2025. I hate to be a downer, but it is an absolutely brutal ride. At your age, and assuming you’re not a runner or swimmer from way back, doing any kind of targeted training will do a good job of wiping out your CNS and you’re likely to get sick and suffer setbacks.

If you do decide to have a crack at it, all power to you, but stay off Trainerroad for now - it won’t help and may set you back.

What will help is riding your bike in zone 2, and I mean proper zone 2 - not bottom half of zone 3 - for at least 3 months, as much as you can. Ride consistently. Hydrate and sleep. Quit alcohol entirely. Carb up. Build up to a double century by around Cup Day at the earliest, late November at the latest. Just incrementally add in more and more distance until you do a 235km ride with brief breaks on the route. Don’t worry too much about elevation gain, in fact try to avoid too much of that in the early days.

By December 1st you’ll have 3 months left, and if you’re still in the game and haven’t come down sick or injured or whatever then start working in the climbs. Assuming you’re in Melbourne, the Dandenongs are your friend (obviously). But don’t just do the 1-in-20. Hit up the back side (East side) where the roads are much steeper. Head out to Donna Buang and do it multiple times.

By mid-December, start thinking about reccy rides. Best way to do it is to head out to Bright for a week and do a climb every second day. Beauty. Hotham. Buffalo. Falls (do the back of falls). Maybe string a few together.

Only from about Australia day onwards, when the weather is hot, would I consider doing some targeted indoor training rides and incorporating Trainer Road to fill in the gaps in what you’re unable to reliably train out on the road. You’ll need to tap into some anaerobic power efforts at certain parts of the climbs.

And you’ll know more about where you’re at.

EDIT: I forgot to mention: if you toe the start line at Peaks: drink before you get thirsty, eat before you get hungry, suck as many wheels as you can in between the climbs - it REALLY pays to conserve your energy. Especially between the back of Beauty and the start of Hotham. Big groups always form. Sit in with them and take no turns.

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Hi Robert, thanks, you might be a dissenting voice but I needed to hear this.

I also appreciate the detailed advice. Fully hear the point about doing more Z2 road riding and less structured interval training.

My current status: I can do century rides and 1000-1500m elevations. I appreciate that Peaks is next level. So, I am not committing until I am done with Amy’s in Sept and the Around the Bay ride in Oct.

Amy’s is 114km with 1900 elevation and Around the Bay is about 220km flat. If I manage to do these, enjoy myself and finish strong then I’ll think about Peaks.

Thanks again.

I never did anything longer than 120km (with 0m climbing before last year , in fact I never climbed nor descended before ) and ended up doing the marmotte (177km 5k climbing in 9:15, official time 8:31 due to neutralised parts and could have been faster is I could descend, practiced making drinks on the road/grabbing stuff from my jersey and didn’t waste some of my energy on the flat sections). I am sure that if you already did an imperial century with climbing you can get ready for peaks but not on just 7-8h/wk the months leading up to the event …

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Thanks. I’m doing just metric centuries at the moment or just above, not quite imperial yet :slight_smile:

My goal is to get to imperial by October in time for the Around the Bay ride.

Inspo below! Have you ridden down there before? Mt Buffalo is beautiful and just out of Bright. You could do worse than spending a weekend there going up and down and then across to the bakery at Mt Beauty via Tawonga Gap. And not too far from town if you crack.

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Very sage advice, but part of me thinks an essential part of the event is having that WTF moment when you hit back of falls and experiencing it for the first time :joy:

(I haven’t done Peaks, I think it’s beyond me, but years ago I did a two-day Audax alpine raid that followed that route, stopping overnight in Omeo. I will never forget hitting BoF, it’s etched into my memory.)

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Great video! You smashed it :slight_smile:

With my power output though (currently 2.6w/kg … ) I’d be lucky to do it in 12 hours.