Red Light Green Light: Request for "burned out" athletes!

We’re starting external testing of Red Light Green Light (RLGL) and we need your help!

RLGL is a feature of Adaptive Training. It warns you BEFORE you dig yourself into a hole and then suggests adaptations to your training to make sure you don’t fall into it!

Here’s some training I did back in 2019 that was pushing me over the edge. You can see how RLGL would have warned me.

You don’t even need to be on a TR training plan or even be training inside! You just need a power meter on your bike (even works with just HR but the accuracy won’t be as high).

That means you could be doing 100% of your training outside, not use a TR plan, and still get warnings of “yellow” and “red” days with suggested changes to your training. :exploding_head:


P.S. That’s a lot of PRs. :grin:

We’re looking for athletes who have ever felt burnt out and are comfortable with us sharing their training calendar/rides on the forum, podcast, and other marketing channels.

We’ll review your training, see how RLGL would have impacted your training, and make suggestions and point out improvements. We won’t share your real name.

We might make this a series that showcases RLGL but also helps identify common training mistakes.

We especially want people who have posted on the forum that TR has burnt you out.

If you’d like to do this, please fill out this form. https://forms.gle/shYPNkS1UeGq9EQv6

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Also, we need a marketing name for this.

We’re thinking about just making it a feature of Adaptive Training. But I feel like I’m always going to call it “red light green light”. :grin:

Any ideas?

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Fatigue manager, fatigue monitor, training readiness
( garmin uses that name)

That’s all I have for now :laughing:

Rip, Ride or Rest Rating / Alert
Shrediness Signal
Readiness Signal

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You should post this on R/Velo. Seems like there are a lot of people there that complain about getting burned out in TR. might get some of them to sign up.

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Another cool part about this is it should automatically catch athletes who pick a plan that has too much volume for them. They will start to get yellow/red days and the plan will adapt down.

Future plan is to put it in plan builder. That way we can suggest a training plan that won’t give you yellow/red days! :smiley:

We’ll probably also add a setting to say how “aggressive” you want to be with training. Like if you want to really push the envelope at the risk of being close to the edge.

For those who like to play with fire.

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Then have a setting for a more gentle approach for those who might be starting a new job, new parent, or other life stress where they don’t want to limit training fatigue.

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Chad bro, your shredre

Dude, so check it, Chad’s usually out there on the mountain trails, right?

Just shredding it like a total king, his shrediness signal is usually blasting off the charts. But today, man, it’s like his signal’s a bit fuzzy, not hitting those epic peaks we’re all stoked to see.

Maybe the trails are throwing some gnarly curveballs, or his vibe’s just on a chill mode.

But hey, every rider hits a rough patch where the path’s rocky but their spirit’s just cruising. Just gotta keep those wheels spinning, catch the next wild downhill, and amp up that shrediness signal again.

Chad’s gonna tune back in and tear up those trails like a legend, no doubt. It’s all about riding the wave of the trail, am I right?

I assume Chad rides like this

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Excellent idea!

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Here’s to me cursing the fact that I haven’t had anything close to a “burnout” since AT and other changes over the recent years. :wink: Not sure I’ve had more than a few workouts as All-Out or straight up bails that were Fatigue based in the last 2-3 years. Likely not a great candidate for the current phase of testing so I will wait for the next release, dangit :stuck_out_tongue:

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Ha, love it :smiley: Wish I had the guts and skills for that level or ripping!

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You have a lot of yellow days on your career, but you’re naturally adjusting your training how we’d tell you too. :clap:

You’re (mostly) doing easier endurance rides on the yellow days and resting on the red days. :clap:

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Sweet! That’s a nice little summary and incentive to keep up my current practices then. Thanks for the quick review and window into the tool :smiley:

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PS @Nate_Pearson, this might be worth Pinning to the top of the forum for a week or so to make sure it gets seen by everyone.

EDIT: I found the setting and put it out for next Monday. You or @ZackeryWeimer can adjust or remove as needed.

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It’s the performance prediction (status light)

Compliance Manager
Burnout Warning

Does it only take into account cycling or are runs also considered? I’m duathalete so if ignores runs then not much use to multi sport people.

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Adaptive Training with FAFO Monitoring

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The interesting thing is you can still do a ride on a yellow/red day. But…you’re going to be impacted in the future.

I was just looking at an account where an athlete tried over and over on red days (both TR and Zwift rides) and they ended up quitting cycling (at least for a while)! :open_mouth:

So although you can complete the workout, the real question is SHOULD you be completing that workout? :thinking:

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