Table Sugar instead of Malto/Fructose?

Hey all!

I’ve been making my own maltodextrin/fructose drink mixes for some time now, and am basically up to a 1:1 ratio. I’m on the verge of finally just swapping out everything for simple table sugar, which we all know is already 1:1 glucose/fructose at a fraction of the price. Is there any real reason not to do so?

The podcast hosts cite how well (or poorly) it dissolves (I make my bottles the night before, so that shouldn’t be an issue). I’ve heard others speak of taste or gut issues. However, are there any actual performance or physiological concerns with making the switch? The healthy eater in me has been way too conditioned against the idea of dumping straight sugar in anything.

Table sugar and sodium citrate in all my bottles. Never had dissolving issues, just shake em good. Only flag is the wear on the teeth. I rinse with plain water after each drink when training indoors and gamble my enamel away when racing or training outside.

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I use half sugar and half dextrose, plus sodium citrate and some lemon and lime powdered flavoring.

It’s my first year trying home brew after using skratch for many years. I was sick of spending over $100/month on hydration mix (I ditched gels also a few years ago). So far, so good and I really like the taste. Dissolves very easy and doesn’t leave a slimy layer on my hydration pack bladders like some products. The real test will be this summer, but I think it was a good change.

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Sucrose has extremely high solubility; it’ll dissolve in absurd ratios, and without needing to do much.
At 1\degree Celsius, it’s over 150g sucrose per 100mL water.
At 10\degree Celsius, it’s around 175g sucrose per 100mL water.
At 20\degree Celsius, it’s over 200g sucrose per 100mL water.

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I have been doing table sugar and water up to 100g per bottle with no issues. Add a little gatorade powder for flavor.

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Also a big fan of table sugar and sodium citrate, and whatever for flavouring…lemon juice, lime juice, other flavourings, and sometimes no extra flavour at all, just the sugar.

No real issues dissolving it, and I just did 400 grams in a 2 liter pack today.

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Been on the sugar/sodium citrate train since @Dr_Alex_Harrison posted about it back in the dark days of 2020. No issues.

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I use 100-110g table sugar per bottle, plus an extra 1/2 tsp of sodium citrate. For flavor I split one LMNT pouch for 2 bottles. I like the watermelon salt and chocolate salt flavors. Not sure if the chocolate one messes with digestion speed but it makes the water taste like hot chocolate (but ambient temperature :slight_smile: )

Edit: Just want to add you can buy a 8-10lb bag of organic sugar at Costco for something like $10. It is WAAAAAY cheaper than buying premade mix.

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Yesterday I made some bottles with roughly 60 grams of carbs with 2 tablespoons of sugar and 2 tablespoons of maple syrup and 1 bag of brewed green tea per bottle with some salt mixed in. It went down pretty well. I did almost 3.5 hours on the MTB and drank 1 bottle per hour. I think I need more electrolytes though as I was starting to have some muscle cramping at the end of my ride. Any suggestions on adding electrolytes?

Difficulties in solubility probably have the most to do with granule size: drink mixes tend to be a fine powder but granules of white sugar are quite large by comparison. Larger granules means less surface area per unit volume of carbohydrate.

I’ve been on the sugar, citrate, Gatorade powder mix for a few years and it works great. I use a “super bottle”, which is all my fuel in a 1 liter bottle and plain water in all others. At over 100g of carbs an hour I’ve dissolved 600g+ of this mix in a 1 liter bottle and just sip over 5 hours.

I fill the bottle 2/3 full with hot tap water, add mix, shake vigorously and store overnight. Come ride time I’ll shake again and either add ice or water to top off.

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All you people who claim that white sugar doesn’t mix well clearly didn’t make old school Kool-
Aid as kids. :rofl:

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Not sure if this would work for you to add electrolytes but what I do for all my bottles is one scoop of my favorite flavor of skratch hydration mix and then whatever amount of table sugar I need to get the amount of carbs I want per bottle. (Plus sodium citrate if needed)

So the skratch adds some amount of sodium and other electrolytes along with flavor. I imagine you could do the same with any other dissolving electrolyte product?

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Main issue for me when it comes to sucrose in those concentrations is that I am not a big fan of the sickly sweet flavour. Much prefer maltodextrin, and I use that plus salt/a electrolyte mix as my main training fuel. Some posts have also hinted at maltodextrin being slightly better for your teeth.

But for races it probably would work as well as a maltodextrin:fructose mix, which probably ends up being a sweet as sucrose at the same overall concentration.

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A couple of years ago some 20g/bottle of table sugar was very sweet. Now I can do 200g/bottle and it is just fine. You’ll get used to it and won’t notice it. However, it is not a loss of taste as it is strictly associated with cycling drinks. I still don’t like a cake that is too sweet :slight_smile:

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Been on table sugar for years now. It is pretty sticky if it leaks from the bottle and doesn’t break down that well, but that’s the only downsides I can think of.
From what I can tell, it works just as well as any of the energy powders I’ve used in the past.

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I don’t doubt anyone that says it’s harder to digest/process, but I’m also of the opinion that the percentage margins we’re talking about when we say ‘harder’ are pretty slim, at least for those of us who don’t have digestive issues with table sugar (and I would expect that even the strongest guts might still need a bit of a transition period to get back up to old intake rates with new types of carbs.)

If I were a 40k TT specialist or going for an hour record (or maybe just generally closer to the podium) then I would absolutely work to find the perfect ratio of the most readily absorbable carbohydrate sources, but since I’m racing all-day gravel events and ultra-endurance stuff I just don’t think there’s any meaningful disadvantage to table sugar, especially on self-supported stuff where I’ve got to refuel in the field.

During an ultra I put 500g into a 710mL bottle for pure simplicity (it’s sold in either 500g or 1kg bags in every shop in the UK, so that’s either a full bag or a half bag, measured by eye). Depending on conditions it will mostly dissolve, but sometimes near the end of the bottle I have to squirt some fresh water in and shake it around to get rid of a bit of sludge. It’s a lot thinner than a gel, but still noticeably viscous compared to normal drink mix.

My other 710mL bottle is plain water so I can sip from the two in whatever combination suits current conditions. In UK summer I tend to go through 2x water bottles for every sugar bottle, so when I’m re-filling I’ll usually add water to the sugar bottle too and that nearly always dilutes it enough that there’s no sludge to deal with at the next sugar top-up. Also means only one bottle gets sticky!

Caster sugar (UK name, I think called extra fine sugar or baker’s sugar in the US) dissolves much much better than standard table sugar. I’d say the granules are about half the size. Normal sugar will still get there, just takes a bit more effort and is more affected by cool temperatures, but if you’re talking about less than 200g/500mL you should have no real issues.

I added about 1/2 teaspoon of powdered citric acid for flavour at first (which should in theory also mitigate any gut issues by bringing pH down). I even carried little tiny ziploc bags of pre-measured citric acid and sodium citrate (or just salt) for my first few attempts at this, but at some point I realised I didn’t miss it if I didn’t have it. Now I carry pink salt and add a tiny pinch to each bottle for osmolality but find it easier to get my measurable sodium intake from separate salt tablets.

For shorter events and my normal 1hr TR workouts I do still put my sodium in my bottles. Very occasionally some citric acid if I’m getting sick of same-ness, but mostly it’s just 100-120g sugar and a bit of salt in a 710mL bottle - shake and go!

I can’t imagine how it would be any different metabolically than drink mixes so I have no concerns there. I do remind my dentist about it at every appointment and have asked her to let me know ASAP if there’s anything to worry about, but thankfully nothing has come up yet. She says the most effective thing we can do is a plain water rinse after each big sip of sugar water, and obviously brushing teeth after big sessions when you can feel things get fuzzy.

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I always do one bottle of sugar (table sugar) and one water, and then I do all the carbs for the ride in that bottle.

Usually do 4-6 hours rides, with all those carbs in one of the bottles so I can spread it out easily.

90g/h for the endurance rides = up to 540g of sugar in one 600ml bottle haha.

I always boil some water, toss a teabag in for a few minutes, then in with the sugar and mix until it’s dissolved.

Not had any issues yet (compared to running Maurten/Nduranz/GU etc. and its plenty cheap :slight_smile:

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I don’t mind doing table sugar for short workouts where the flavour of the sugar almost gives me a psychological boost as I can feel that it isn’t just water. Similarly, when I’m away from home and with family it’s easy to mix up some table sugar and juice to train.

But for longer stuff or races, malto is cheap and I’m paying to not have to deal with the palate fatigue and the reduced enamel erosion (although not eliminated).

I have a pretty iron gut and can do 120 whilst running and over 160 whilst riding, but 160 of table sugar for a multi-hour race is just not an enjoyable process.

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